Angular power spectrum dependence in redshift z and k

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between the angular power spectrum \(C_\ell\) and the 3D matter power spectrum \(P(k)\), particularly in the context of redshift \(z\) and multipole moment \(\ell\). Participants explore the implications of these relationships, including the potential inclusion of effects like redshift space distortions (RSD).

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the interpretation of \(z\) and \(z'\) in the equation for \(C_\ell\), suggesting they may not represent redshift and seeking clarification on their relationship to multipole \(\ell\).
  • Another participant proposes that the left-hand side may not be \(C_\ell\) but rather the angular correlation function, indicating a possible misunderstanding of the notation.
  • A follow-up post confirms the idea that \(C(\theta)\) could represent the angular correlation function, while \(C_\ell\) would be the angular power spectrum, prompting a request for the mathematical expression linking \(C_\ell\) and \(C(\theta)\).
  • One participant mentions a reversible transformation related to orthogonality conditions, suggesting that a manual example could clarify the normalization factor needed.
  • There is confusion expressed regarding the relationship between the angular power spectrum \(C_\ell\) and the matter power spectrum \(P(k)\), with a request for a complete formula that connects these two quantities.
  • Another participant asserts that \(P(k)\) may not represent the matter power spectrum but rather the temperature power spectrum, emphasizing that \(C_\ell\) arises from the intersection of \(P(k)\) with the surface of last scattering.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of \(P(k)\) and its relationship to \(C_\ell\), indicating that multiple competing perspectives exist without a clear consensus on the correct interpretation or formulation.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions of \(z\) and \(z'\), the nature of \(P(k)\), and the specific mathematical relationships between the angular power spectrum and the 3D power spectrum. The discussion reflects a complexity in the notation and concepts involved.

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Hi,

I wanted to have a precision about a question that has been post on this relation between P(k) and C_l

The author writes the ##C_\ell## like this :

$$C_\ell(z,z') = \int_0^\infty dkk^2 j_\ell(kz)j_\ell(kz')P(k)$$

I don't undertstand the meaning of ##z## and ##z'## : these are not redshift, are they ?

Normally, it should depend of the multipole ##\ell## but how to make the link between these 2 quantities ##z## and ##z'## and multipole ##\ell##.
Moreover, does the ##P(k)## represent systematically the linear matter power spectrum ? or can we add RSD (Redshift Space Distorsions) like Kaiser or alcock-paczynski effects ?

Thanks for your clarifications and explanations.

Regards
Source https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/relationship-between-the-angular-and-3d-power-spectra.993041/
 
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I think there's a mistake there. I suspect the left hand side is not ##C_\ell##, but the angular correlation function, which is a function of the difference between two angles on the sky, with ##z## and ##z'## being unit vectors.

That said, I don't think this is the way things are currently done. Current power spectrum calculations are based on this paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/9603033
 
@kimbyd .Thanks for your quick answer.

I have looked at your paper and notice that passing :
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From what you seem to say, the ##C(\theta)## on the left would represent the angular correlation function, wouldn't it ?

and in the right term member would appear ##C_{\ell}## which would be the Angular Power spectrum ?

If this is the case, How could I express ##C_{\ell}## from ##C(\theta)##.

Your help will be precious, thanks in advance.
 
Equation 10 there is a reversible transformation. The orthogonality condition is described here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legendre_polynomials#Orthogonality_and_completeness

There's a notational difference there, in part driven by the argument being ##x## rather than ##cos(\theta)##, but it shouldn't be too difficult to take a simple example (e.g. ##P_1##), do the integrals manually, and see what the normalization factor needs to be.
 
Just a precision :

in the link that I gave firstly in my post ( https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/relationship-between-the-angular-and-3d-power-spectra.993041 )

Why does the writter say "How to write the 3D power spectrum, P(k), as an integral of the angular power spectrum, C_l ?"

whereas from kimbyd, it is not the direct relation beween angular power spectrum ##C_{\ell}## and matter power spectrum ##P_{k}##

By, the way, could anyone write the complete formula that links these 2 quantities (##C_{\ell}## and ##P_{k}##) ?

I would be grateful since I am a little confused between angualr correlation function and matter power spectrum and spherical Bessel functions.

Any help would be great, I am begin to desperate.

Best regards
 
I don't think ##P(k)## there is the matter power spectrum. It's still the temperature power spectrum, just represented differently.

The relationship between ##P(k)## and ##C_\ell## is that ##C_\ell## results from the intersection of the 3D power spectrum ##P(k)## with the surface of last scattering.

I believe the equation was written above.
 

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