Angular speed of rotating hoop

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The discussion focuses on calculating the angular speed of a rotating hoop using kinematic equations rather than conservation of energy. The equations of motion and net torque are analyzed, but the user struggles to derive the correct angular speed, arriving at 38.7 rad/s instead of the expected 26.3 rad/s. The user emphasizes the need for clarity on the relevant equations and the correct application of kinematic principles. Dimensional analysis suggests that some equations may not be appropriate for this problem. The goal remains to accurately determine the hoop's angular speed after descending 0.45 m.
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The Attempt at a Solution


So I know how to solve this with conservation of energy, but I can't seem to get the correct answer using kinematic equations.

τnet = Iα = (MR2*(a/R))
-Tension = MRa

Fnet = ma
w-Tension = ma
-Tension = ma - mg

Plugging this into the first equation:
ma-mg = MRa
a-g = Ra
a = g/(1-R)
a = 9.8/(1-0.0800) = 10.65 m/s2

vinitial = 0
a = 10.65 m/s2
Δy = 0.45 m
vfinal = ?

vfinal2 = vinitial2 + 2aΔy
vfinal = sqrt(2aΔy)
vfinal = 3.096 m/s
v = rω
ω = v/r = 3.096/0.0800 = 38.7 rad/s

Correct answer: 26.3 rad/s

Again, I know this can be solved with conservation of energy, but I'm trying to figure it out with kinematic equations.
 
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henry3369 said:

Homework Statement


http://imgur.com/jcZRQdu

Homework Equations


What is the question?

What are the relevant equations?
 
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henry3369 said:
τnet = Iα = (MR2*(a/R))
-Tension = MRa
Dimensional analysis of the second equation above shows that it can't be correct.
 
ehild said:
What is the question?

What are the relevant equations?
I forgot to include the questions in the picture:
After the hoop has descended 0.45 m, calculate the angular speed of the hoop.

Relevant equations:
τ = Iα
F = ma
Kinematic equations
 
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