Anna Nicole Smith Dead at 39 - Florida Hotel Collapse

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Anna Nicole Smith collapsed at a Florida hotel at the age of 39, with speculation surrounding a possible drug overdose, though autopsy results are pending. The discussion reflects on her tumultuous life, including her past struggles with substance abuse and the death of her son from a lethal combination of drugs. Many participants express disdain for her lifestyle choices, labeling her as a "prostitute" for marrying an elderly billionaire for financial gain, while others argue that her actions were simply a reflection of her circumstances and societal norms. The conversation also touches on the lack of medical attention she received prior to her collapse, raising questions about the accountability of those around her. Overall, the thread reveals a mix of criticism and sympathy, highlighting the complexities of her life and the impact of fame on personal choices.
  • #51
If you don't have proof,you shouldn't call her a prostitute.
 
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  • #52
verdigris said:
If you don't have proof,you shouldn't call her a prostitute.

I think he's trying to say that she slept with a rich dude for his money. So yea, that could qualify for calling her a prostitute.
 
  • #53
I agree actually (with not calling her a prostitute). If the old geezer wanted to marry her then so be it.
 
  • #54
ranger said:
I think he's trying to say that she slept with a rich dude for his money. So yea, that could qualify for calling her a prostitute.

No, it couldn't, since she, as I already pointed out, just made use of her advantages. After all, the guy agreed to marry her.

It's just a legal way of making money. And it's definitely not the dirtiest one. :wink:
 
  • #55
Don't you agree that any guy over the age of 70 is going to realize that any 20 something year old that is interested in marrying him is likely just interested in his money? Though it is definitely not illegal, and I believe that everyone should be able to make their own choices.

I think

pros·ti·tu·tion
–noun 1. the act or practice of engaging in sexual intercourse for money.

speaks for itself... :smile:


Of course there is always the argument that she fell in love with the man. I suppose that it is possible that she had some uncommon attraction for extremely old men, but I think that it is far more likely that she was interested in the money/lifestyle that he offered her.
 
  • #56
Erh... What is the point of debating about the choices made by two dead people. We'll really never know the truth, and in that precise case, who cares ? Are you jaleous ? This is sick. Sorry.
 
  • #57
haha. Do you really think that someone like Anna was truly in love with an old dude. I mean hot girl/old guy don't really go together. Its useless to argue about this though, since it doesn't even matter.
 
  • #58
What I'm saying is that if she gave the old guy some happiness then what's the problem?
 
  • #59
verty said:
What I'm saying is that if she gave the old guy some happiness then what's the problem?
Yet you seem to have a problem with prostitution. Where's the logic in that?
 
  • #60
ranger said:
Do you really think that someone like Anna was truly in love with an old dude.
I just don't know... Sometimes human nature is surprising. Say she could have so many guys, and she did not know what she was searching anyway. Maybe this old guy brought her some wisdom. Maybe that was unexpected to her but at some point she really has some feelings for him. Maybe he thought she would just be a cute thing to have around his old days, and maybe him too had real feelings for her in the end.

We don't know. We don't need to know. I hope they did have some true feelings about each other, and if not at the beginning I want to believe that they developped some.
 
  • #61
humanino said:
Erh... What is the point of debating about the choices made by two dead people. We'll really never know the truth, and in that precise case, who cares ? Are you jaleous ? This is sick. Sorry.

Jealous of what? Are you joking?
 
  • #62
@Gokul:
I think you've made a mistake. When I said it's amazing what people will do for unearned money, I didn't mean that to apply to her marrying him, I consider that to be a fair deal. He chose to marry her so it's all good. I was talking about these vultures that come after the fact.
 
  • #63
dontdisturbmycircles said:
Jealous of what? Are you joking?
Yeah, most of the times that's what I do :-p

Calling a recently dead person by such names, I just don't feel confortable with. But I really believe they might have had strong feelings about each other. When he died, I'm sure that there was something very complicated in ANS thoughts.
 
  • #64
Well I didn't really call her a prostitute per se, but I definitely questioned her ethics (although at this point it doesn't really matter any more, since she's dead - As you pointed out, and I agree with.)

I guess what I don't understand is why people give people like Anna more respect than a regular drug addict. She just happened to be a drug addict with lots of money, what did she do?

Of course a life is a life and I wish anyone she left behind the best, but I don't think she deserves the respect she gets. But that is just my oppinion.

edit: At least I didn't mean to call her a prostitute, but meant rather to show why she may be called one, perhaps correctly - I don't know.
 
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  • #65
This thread is quite sad. First of all, it's many pages worth of talk about a nobody. Then there's a bunch of people wielding the word "prostitute" as though that were an insult, and another group defending the nobody against this "insult".

Please! Prostitution is a perfectly honest transaction, there's no trickery or deception involved. A service is provided for a fee, and that's that; nobody is hurt in the process unless the system is abused. And it certainly is not aimed at senile 90-year-olds who are hardly capable of making informed decisions. So can we please stop insulting prostitutes?
 
  • #66
Gokul43201 said:
This thread is quite sad. First of all, it's many pages worth of talk about a nobody. Then there's a bunch of people wielding the word "prostitute" as though that were an insult, and another group defending the nobody against this "insult".

If all of us were smart enough, this thread wouldn't actually have more than 3 or 4 posts.
 
  • #67
Please! Prostitution is a perfectly honest transaction, there's no trickery or deception involved. A service is provided for a fee, and that's that; nobody is hurt in the process unless the system is abused. And it certainly is not aimed at senile 90-year-olds who are hardly capable of making informed decisions. So can we please stop insulting prostitutes?

I understand what you mean and I'm sorry. But there are so many other services that are provided for a fee, yet these people are insulted. I guess its just how some people see other people.
 
  • #68
Gokul43201 said:
Prostitution is a perfectly honest transaction, there's no trickery or deception involved. A service is provided for a fee, and that's that;
Aleluia, people, i think we have already found the winner in the 2007 "most stupid generalizations" contest.

marlon
 
  • #69
The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money usually costs less. ~Brendan Francis, Playboy, 1985
 
  • #70
Thrice said:
The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money usually costs less. ~Brendan Francis, Playboy, 1985

If you factor in the costs of the test for Gonorrhea, does this rule still apply? :rolleyes:
 
  • #71
Thrice said:
The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money usually costs less. ~Brendan Francis, Playboy, 1985

:smile: :smile: :smile:
 
  • #72
See even in her death she causes such havoc...let the dead prostitute die!

THREAD LOCKED!
 
  • #73
humanino said:
Yeah, most of the times that's what I do :-p

Calling a recently dead person by such names, I just don't feel confortable with. But I really believe they might have had strong feelings about each other. When he died, I'm sure that there was something very complicated in ANS thoughts.

Interesting...do you think that a balloon filled with air can have complicated thoughts??

What's with all this sensitive crap? She was a waste of space and doesn't deserve any respect in the slightest, so who cares if people are calling her by such names. It could be argued that what she did with that old oil tycoon was a form of prostitution, so I mean I don't think calling her a prostitute is too far from the truth.

At the moment, for me, I think that she more than likely brought her death upon herself so I really couldn't care less about her in that sense too. It could have been suicide or pure irresponsible behaviour, but either way, her selfishness has left a daughter without a mother.
 
  • #74
Calling her a waste of space is going a bit far, don't you think? Perhaps lost sheep is a better description. Anyhow, I'm out.
 
  • #75
big man said:
Interesting...do you think that a balloon filled with air can have complicated thoughts??

What's with all this sensitive crap? She was a waste of space and doesn't deserve any respect in the slightest, so who cares if people are calling her by such names. It could be argued that what she did with that old oil tycoon was a form of prostitution, so I mean I don't think calling her a prostitute is too far from the truth.

At the moment, for me, I think that she more than likely brought her death upon herself so I really couldn't care less about her in that sense too. It could have been suicide or pure irresponsible behaviour, but either way, her selfishness has left a daughter without a mother.

Every person deserves to be treated with respect, she never did anything to harm or disrespect you. Just because you saw her several times on television doesn't make you an expert on who she was or what she did.
 
  • #76
This discussion seems endless. :rolleyes:
 
  • #77
Monique said:
Every person deserves to be treated with respect, she never did anything to harm or disrespect you. Just because you saw her several times on television doesn't make you an expert on who she was or what she did.

Truer words were never spoken. I completely agree with that.

marlon
 
  • #78
big man said:
Interesting...do you think that a balloon filled with air can have complicated thoughts??

What's with all this sensitive crap? She was a waste of space and doesn't deserve any respect in the slightest, so who cares if people are calling her by such names.
You don't get to make this judgement because you do not have the inside track on this person's life, like Monique told you.

You can have your opinion on her, i am not debating that, but you need to work on your style. Every person deservers a certain amount of respect, especially from those that do not know her personally.

marlon
 
  • #79
Well yeah that's fine really, but I don't see it that way. Certain people don't deserve any respect. I won't be disrespectul in the sense that I'd piss on their grave or anything to that extent, which is the sort of person you're making me out to be. I just won't say anything nice when there is obviously nothing nice to say about her. I know I shouldn't say anything bad either, but I really take offence at the pure selfishness of some people.

For all I know she might have been of average intelligence before she became a star, but from the many interviews she has done she has been incoherent and barely able to talk. I know it's most likely due to the drugs and alcohol that she has consumed, but a parent really shouldn't be that irresponsible. As far as I know she didn't (I can be wrong here for sure) try and clean her act up at all.
So I have a very low opinion of her and just can't show someone like that any respect at all. They not only adversely affect their own life, but they really screw up the life of their child as well.

But anyway I'm not going to carry this on because I'm sure it will annoy people to no end.

So as bad a person that it makes me, I've explained why I'm incapable of showing someone like Anna Nicole Smith any respect in the slightest...in death or life.
 
  • #80
big man said:
I know I shouldn't say anything bad either, but I really take offence at the pure selfishness of some people.

If their selfishness doesn't affect you, that shouldn't be your problem.

big man said:
but they really screw up the life of their child as well.

I agree on that one.
 
  • #81
There is a concept of the 'inherent worth and dignity' of each person.

However, some people manage to test that concept.

If one does not approve of ANS, then simply do not do as ANS did. She and her children paid high prices for her choices.

No of us knows what is in the mind of others, why others make the choices they do.

If one is lucky, one will find at least one other with whom one can share thoughts and feelings, e.g. one's spouse or close friend.
 
  • #82
Astronuc said:
No of us knows what is in the mind of others, why others make the choices they do.

That's the whole point.

And further on, I've noticed people pointing out the 'choices-part' perhaps without having in mind that all of us don't make chioces from the same startpoint in life.
 
  • #83
big man said:
Well yeah that's fine really, but I don't see it that way. Certain people don't deserve any respect. I won't be disrespectul in the sense that I'd piss on their grave or anything to that extent, which is the sort of person you're making me out to be. I just won't say anything nice when there is obviously nothing nice to say about her.

People who knew her say that she was incredibly enchanting in person.
 
  • #84
radou said:
And further on, I've noticed people pointing out the 'choices-part' perhaps without having in mind that all of us don't make chioces from the same startpoint in life.
That is certainly another major factor - we all start out with different initial conditions - and the differences can be enormous.
 
  • #85
Ivan Seeking said:
People who knew her say that she was incredibly enchanting in person.

True, and from what I've seen from her, she seemed like a good person to me. She wasn't harming anyone. Taking really good care of her son. And so on...
 
  • #86
Well, I should think there was no real surprise in the reports today. But is there some accountability? Her Doctors who prescribed this death cocktail of 9 drugs, the nurse who fed them to her? Or did they just leave them at her bedside with a glass of water, to take at will?
Or was she accountable for herself? The prescription of methadone alone, would of made her unable to think clearly. Add the Valium, Klonopin, and Ativan, you have a liveing zombe.
 
  • #87
hypatia said:
Well, I should think there was no real surprise in the reports today. But is there some accountability? Her Doctors who prescribed this death cocktail of 9 drugs, the nurse who fed them to her? Or did they just leave them at her bedside with a glass of water, to take at will?
Or was she accountable for herself? The prescription of methadone alone, would of made her unable to think clearly. Add the Valium, Klonopin, and Ativan, you have a liveing zombe.
What doctor would prescribe that many drugs to a patient? I wouldn't think that you could safely mix all of them. You certainly wouldn't leave them out for a patient to medicate themselves, it would be far too easy to forget what you've already taken.
 
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  • #88
Ivan Seeking said:
People who knew her say that she was incredibly enchanting in person.

I have read similar opinions as well. I really think that some people judge this woman far too harshly. She lived her life the way she wanted to, did not harm anyone by doing so and deserves some elementary respect as a human being. What she achieved in life can be a topic of discussion but i really do not care about that.

marlon

edit : latest on the cause of death : http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070327/ap_en_tv/anna_nicole_smith
 
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