Another aggravating kinematics problem - regarding stones

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The problem involves two stones being dropped and thrown from a cliff, with the goal of determining the initial velocity of the second stone. The context is kinematics, specifically dealing with free fall and projectile motion under the influence of gravity.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the equations used to model the motion of the stones, questioning the gravitational acceleration value and its implications on the calculations. There is an exploration of the time of flight for both stones and how it affects the initial velocity of the second stone.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into potential errors in calculations and unit conversions. Some participants have noted discrepancies in the gravitational acceleration used, leading to different results. There is no explicit consensus yet on the correct approach or solution.

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There is a mention of unit conversion issues and the need to clarify the gravitational acceleration in both imperial and metric systems, which may be affecting the calculations presented.

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A stone is DROPPED off a 144 foot cliff. A second later, another stone is THROWN off that cliff. The two hit the water at the same exact instant. What is the initial velocity of the second stone?


The answer is 40 ft/second according to my book, but for some reason, I never get that.


I set 4.9t^2 = v*(t-1) + 4.9(t-1)^2
I also set 144 = 4.9t^2 to get t = 5.421.

I plug this back into the first equation, and my answer comes out to 10.908 ft/ sec!

What am I doing wrong here?
 
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youve got the gravitational acceleration wrong...im pretty sure its not 4.9f/s^2...if its 9.8m/s^2
 
its approximately 32.2 f/s^2
 
OVB said:
A stone is DROPPED off a 144 foot cliff. A second later, another stone is THROWN off that cliff. The two hit the water at the same exact instant. What is the initial velocity of the second stone?


The answer is 40 ft/second according to my book, but for some reason, I never get that.


I set 4.9t^2 = v*(t-1) + 4.9(t-1)^2
I also set 144 = 4.9t^2 to get t = 5.421.

I plug this back into the first equation, and my answer comes out to 10.908 ft/ sec!

What am I doing wrong here?

Interesting, I get the same answer. From the equation of displacement for the first rock we get t = 5.42 seconds. The time of 'flight' of the second stone must be 4.42 seconds. So, x2(t)=v0*4.42+0.5*9.81*4.42^2=144 implies v0=10.9 ft/second.
 
OHHH darn I forgot to convert the units. Silly me :P
 
OVB said:
OHHH darn I forgot to convert the units. Silly me :P

The one and only unit for length is [m] is a perfect world. :smile:
 
Yes, the acceleration due to gravity is 9.8 m/s2 or 32 ft/s2. QuantumKing, remember that the coefficient of t2 in the distance formula is g/2! 4.9t2 would be correct in the metric system, 16t2 is correct in the imperial system.
 

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