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The discussion focuses on finding the tangent point between the ellipse defined by 9x² + y² = 36 and the hyperbola xy = a in the first quadrant. The derivatives for both curves are provided, leading to the formulation of a polynomial equation to determine the conditions for tangency. By setting the discriminant of the polynomial to zero, it is concluded that a² must equal 36, resulting in a = 6. The calculations yield the tangent point as (√2, 3√2). The problem is effectively solved, confirming the point of tangency and the value of a.
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Hello, I have one more (hopefully last) question regarding implicit functions:

The ellipse

\[9x^{2}+y^{2}=36\]

and the hyperbole

\[xy=a\]

tangent at a point in the first quarter.

I need to find the tangent point and a.

thanks !

I know that for the ellipse:

\[\frac{\partial y}{\partial x}=-9\frac{x}{y}\]

and for the hyperbole:

\[\frac{\partial y}{\partial x}=-\frac{y}{x}\]
 
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Solved it (Nod)

thanks anyway :o
 
A precalculus technique would be to solve the hyperbola for $y$ and then substitute into the ellipse to get in standard form:

$$9x^4-36x^2+a^2=0$$

For the two curves to be tangent, we require the discriminant to be zero:

$$36^2-4\cdot9\cdot a^2=0$$

$$a^2=36$$

Since a tangent point is to be in the first quadrant, we take the positive root:

$$a=6$$

Hence, we have:

$$9x^4-36x^2+36=0$$

$$x^4-4x^2+4=0$$

$$\left(x^2-2\right)^2=0$$

Taking the positive root:

$$x=\sqrt{2}\implies y=\frac{6}{\sqrt{2}}=3\sqrt{2}$$

And so the point of tangency is:

$$\left(\sqrt{2},3\sqrt{2}\right)$$

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