ANOTHER really basic question this time regarding e

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The discussion revolves around understanding a proof related to the derivative of the exponential function, specifically the expression exp'(x) = exp(x). Participants are examining an inequality involving limits and the behavior of the expression as n approaches infinity, with a focus on the use of binomial expansions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the teacher's claim that both sides of the inequality approach 1 as n approaches infinity, despite understanding the inequality itself.
  • Another participant suggests using the binomial formula on (1 + 1/n)^n to clarify the limit behavior.
  • A different participant shares their intuition that as n approaches infinity, (1 + 1/n)^n approaches e, leading to a misunderstanding about the multiplication by n and its effect on the limit.
  • One participant proposes an alternative approach by differentiating after taking the limit, suggesting that this might yield the same expression without needing to rely on the binomial expansion.
  • Another participant questions the utility of the binomial expansion in this context, emphasizing that the proof for the derivative is centered on the limit of (e^h - 1)/h as h approaches 0.

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Participants do not appear to reach consensus on the best approach to understand the limit or the utility of the binomial expansion. Multiple competing views on how to tackle the problem remain present in the discussion.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the behavior of the expressions as n approaches infinity, and the dependence on the definitions of the terms involved in the inequality is not fully explored.

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ANOTHER really basic question... this time regarding e :D

Hello,

As some of you well know, I'm reading through some lecture notes on single-variable calculus. The teacher who wrote these notes gives a proof of exp'(x)=exp(x). He wrote this inequality:

[((1+1/n)^n)-1]n ≤ [(e^h)-1]/h≤ [((1+1/n)^n+1)-1]n

Where h=1/n.

Now, I get why this inequality is true, but the teacher says that the right and left sides go to 1 as n--->∞. He said to use the binomial expansions to see this. I'm not getting it. Could someone help?

Thanks(again)
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Use the binomial formula on (1+ 1/n)^ n
 


Ugh, I tried.. I still don't get the intuition.

In fact, I have this intuition:

as n--->∞, (1+1/n)^n --->e, which is 2.718blah blah blah. This minus 1 is 1.718blahblahblah. This multiplied by a large number would be very far from 1. Is there something I'm missing?
 
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I would go a bit different about the limit, it is easy to put the derivative after the limit, differentiate, and see that you get the same expression. But, as far as I saw, your inequality can be written more clearly as follows:
[tex]\left(\left(1+\frac{1}{n}\right)^n-1\right)n\leq n(e^{1/n}-1)\leq \left(\left(1+\frac{1}{n}\right)^{n+1}-1\right)n[/tex]
If you want to use this, you need to expand out the binomial and remember that one over n goes to zero as n goes to infinity.
 


I don't see how the binomial thing would help. The proof for derivative is actually for

[tex]\lim_{h\rightarrow 0} \frac{e^h - 1}{h} = 1[/tex]
 

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