Answer: Learn Asymptotic Flatness for General Relativity

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The discussion revolves around the concept of asymptotic flatness in General Relativity, specifically focusing on the manipulation of metrics in spherical coordinates and the introduction of new coordinate systems. The original poster is attempting to understand the implications of certain equations derived from the metric and their behavior at the boundary of the manifold.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to derive relationships involving the metric and its derivatives, questioning the validity of certain expressions provided in the textbook. Some participants question whether the textbook may have made an error regarding the variables used in the equations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's reasoning, providing insights and suggesting alternative interpretations of the equations. There is a recognition of the complexity of the topic, and while some guidance has been offered, no consensus has been reached regarding the correctness of the original poster's manipulations.

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There is an acknowledgment of the potential for confusion due to the mathematical intricacies involved, particularly at the boundary of the manifold where certain conditions apply. The discussion reflects the challenges of self-studying advanced topics in General Relativity.

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Homework Statement


This is not really part of some homework, but I'd rather post it here than annoy other people on the more general threads.

I'm trying to self study the topic of asymptotic flatness related to General Relativity. The textbook I'm using tries to explain the concept by introducing a flat spacetime M with a metric, in spherical coordinates, and then modifying it.

Homework Equations



It all starts with the metric:

g = dt^2-dr^2-r^2(d\theta^2+sin^2{\theta}d\phi^2)

and expresses it in terms of a retarded system (u, r, theta, phi), where u=t-r:

g = du^2-2du dr-r^2(d\theta^2+sin^2{\theta}d\phi^2)

In order to have points at infinity, it then introduces a new coordinate system (u,\Omega,\theta,\phi), where \Omega=r^{-1}, and gets:

g = \Omega^{-2} (\Omega^2du^2-2du d\Omega-d\theta^2-sin^2{\theta}d\phi^2)

In this way, M gets extended to a new manifold \hat{M}, which has a well-defined boundary at infinity for \Omega=0.

The metric is not yet fine at the boundary, so it gets rescaled by defining a new metric:

\hat{g} = \Omega^2g = \Omega^2du^2-2du d\Omega-d\theta^2-sin^2{\theta}d\phi^2

The Attempt at a Solution


So far, so good. Now the text says that (I report it literally here):

"from the form of the metric \hat{g}, we see that:

\hat{\nabla}_a\Omega\hat{\nabla}^a\Omega = \Omega^2

and

\hat{\nabla}^a\Omega\hat{\nabla}_au = -1"

and this really beats me! The best I was able to obtain, by some manipulation is:

\hat{\nabla}_a\Omega\hat{\nabla}^a\Omega=\hat{\nabla}_a\Omega\hat{\nabla}_b\Omega\hat{g}^{ab}=(\hat{\nabla}_a\Omega\hat{\nabla}_b\Omega)\Omega^{-2}g^{ab}=(\nabla_a\Omega\nabla_b\Omega)\Omega^{-2}g^{ab}=(\nabla_a\Omega\nabla^a\Omega)\Omega^{-2}

from which one would get that:

\hat{\nabla}_a\Omega\hat{\nabla}^a\Omega=\nabla_a\Omega\nabla^a\Omega=0

which is not true in general, but I can't see where I'm making a mistake...

Any help is really appreciated.
 
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Are you sure the book didn't make a mistake and it actually meant to use u and not \Omega. Especially since the 2nd equation you listed with the u and \Omega makes sense.

Edit: I am not an expert in GR, so take what I say with a grain of salt :)
 
nickjer said:
Are you sure the book didn't make a mistake and it actually meant to use u and not \Omega. Especially since the 2nd equation you listed with the u and \Omega makes sense.

That's unlikely: in the same section, the text notes that, at the border of \hat{M}, where \Omega=0, \hat{\nabla}_a\Omega\hat{\nabla}^a\Omega = 0. This makes sense only if you start from \hat{\nabla}_a\Omega\hat{\nabla}^a\Omega = \Omega^2.

Thanks for the suggestion, anyway...
 
I hope I'm not too late.

gnieddu said:
\hat{\nabla}_a\Omega\hat{\nabla}^a\Omega=\hat{\nabla}_a\Omega\hat{\nabla}_b\Omega\hat{g}^{ab}=(\hat{\nabla}_a\Omega\hat{\nabla}_b\Omega)\Omega^{-2}g^{ab}=(\nabla_a\Omega\nabla_b\Omega)\Omega^{-2}g^{ab}=(\nabla_a\Omega\nabla^a\Omega)\Omega^{-2}

This looks okay.
gnieddu said:
from which one would get that:

\hat{\nabla}_a\Omega\hat{\nabla}^a\Omega=\nabla_a\Omega\nabla^a\Omega=0

This isn't correct. It is tempting, but incorrect, to think that

\hat{\nabla}_a\Omega = \nabla_a\Omega

implies

\hat{\nabla}_a\Omega\hat{\nabla}^a\Omega=\nabla_a\Omega\nabla^a\Omega.

To get what you want, use your result above together with \Omega = 1/r and the fact that connections act as partial derivatives on scalar functions.
 
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