ANSYS Element for 2D Table Top Modeling w/ Z-Dir Load

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The discussion revolves around modeling techniques in ANSYS for various applications, including 2D surface modeling under loads, coupled structural and electrical analyses, and specific challenges in simulating interactions and applying loads in finite element analysis (FEA). Participants explore different element types and methods for achieving desired simulation outcomes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks advice on which element type to use for a 2D table top model subjected to a Z-direction load, suggesting a need for a shell element.
  • Another participant recommends Shell93 for its quadratic interpolation and capability for large deflection, while also mentioning Shell43 and Shell63 as alternatives.
  • A participant questions how to apply both static force and DC voltage simultaneously in a model, suggesting that coupled Structural/Circuit elements may not exist.
  • There is a suggestion to approach the problem as a coupled multiphysics problem, linking multiple regimes with initial conditions.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about applying initial conditions and suggests that COMSOL might be necessary, while another counters that ANSYS Multiphysics can handle similar tasks.
  • A different participant describes a simulation issue with two rigid blocks overlapping under shear conditions, asking for advice on preventing this overlap.
  • Another participant inquires about drawing an ellipse in ANSYS using coordinates from an external text file.
  • One participant requests guidance on element types for analyzing friction welding of aluminum alloy.
  • A participant working on fracture mechanics seeks advice on modeling an orthotropic plate with cracks and applying out-of-plane loading, asking for suitable elements and methods for modeling cracks and applying moments.
  • One participant mentions their experience with ANSYS for magnetic projects but expresses unfamiliarity with certain methods discussed.
  • A later reply questions the clarity of the previous participant's inquiry.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the appropriate element types and methods for modeling in ANSYS, with no consensus reached on the best approaches for all scenarios presented. Multiple competing views remain regarding the coupling of structural and electrical analyses, as well as the specific modeling challenges faced.

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Some discussions involve assumptions about the capabilities of ANSYS and the applicability of certain methods, which may depend on specific project requirements or software versions. There are also unresolved questions regarding the implementation of initial conditions and the modeling of interactions between different physical phenomena.

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I am attempting to model a simple 2D surface in ANSYS that is subjected to a load in the 3rd dimension. My surface is a table top, in the X-Y plane. I have modeled it in 2D, and will give it a "simulated thickness". However, I am not sure which element type I can use to apply a force on the top of this surface in the Z-direction. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.
 
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For your application, you need to use a shell element.

Shell93 could be a good choice, it has quadratic interpolation with midside nodes and allows for large deflection. For the lower-order version of this element, you could look at Shell43 elements or possibly Shell63.
 
Thank you for the reply. It has been a while since I have used ANSYS, and Shell elements must have slipped my mind. :)
 
Which element type do you use to apply static force and dc voltage at the same time
for 2D or 3D model?
 
I don't think there are any coupled Structural/Circuit elements. I suspect you will instead have to solve the problem as a coupled multiphysics problem, where the problem's multiple regimes are linked with imported initial conditions.
 
I can not think of any way to even apply that kind of initial condition. Perhaps there is some other add on to ANSYS that I am unaware of. I would think something like COMSOL would be needed.
 
FredGarvin said:
I can not think of any way to even apply that kind of initial condition. Perhaps there is some other add on to ANSYS that I am unaware of. I would think something like COMSOL would be needed.

There isn't anything COMSOL is capable of that ANSYS Multiphysics isn't; both are multiple physical domain FEA programs that have optimized solvers for iterating results from one solution regime into another. However it seems to me that a structural/electical coupling wouldn't wouldn't have any useful results.

I'm curious if the O.P. is really looking for something like a resistive heating effect that is coupled into a structural thermal expansion solution. This would a triply-integrated FEA problem solving for current density (electromagnetic solution), followed by a resultant temperature distribution from resistive heating (heat transfer solution), and finally a thermal expansion solution based on the temperature distribution (structural).
 
I am trying to simulate the interaction of two rectangular rigid blocks floating closely in a medium having relatively low elastic constant under simple shear condition. The space between two blocks was taken to be very low elastic constant. In the final result, I found the two blocks have overlapped to each other after a high finite strain value which is not true in practical. The blocks are supposed to keep distance among them. Can anybody suggest me how to avoid the overlapping?
 
I am using Ansys 10. I would like to draw an ellipse. How would I draw the keypoints from an external .txt file where the co-ordinates are saved in two columns?
 
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I'm doing a project in analysis of friction welding of aluminium alloy. i need to know what type of element to be used in Ansys to get proper results.. pls anyone help..
 
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I am doing my m.tech project on fracture mechanics..

I have to model orthotropic plate containing holes frm which 2cracks are emanating radially frm each hole.

my problem is i have to apply out of plane loading like bending moment and torsion.

So can any pls suggest for following problems

1.which element is suitable for above problem..?
2.how to model multiple cracks in ANSYS..?
3.How to apply moments over a plate..?

If u give suggestiong it will be great helpful to me..

thanks in advance...
 
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I only use ansys to simulate magnetic project. but i never heard this method in ansys.
 
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Is there a question in there?
 

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