Any conclusions about the gaps between p and p^2?

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The discussion revolves around the gaps between prime numbers in the range from a prime number p to its square p^2. Participants explore conjectures and calculations related to these gaps, considering both elementary number theory and implications of the Riemann Hypothesis (RH).

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  • Some participants propose that the gap between primes in the range from p to p^2 could be less than p, with one participant claiming their calculations support this.
  • There is mention of conjectures regarding upper bounds for prime gaps, such as g(p) < ln(p)^2 or g(p) < p^(1/2), particularly if RH is true.
  • One participant questions the validity of the claim regarding g(p) < ln(p)^2, referencing Cramer's conjecture and suggesting that the original claim lacks sufficient support.
  • Numerical examples are provided, such as the case of p=13, where the gap between the primes 113 and 127 is noted, raising questions about whether this is an isolated instance.
  • Another participant points out the need for clarity regarding the definition of the gap being discussed (p-q or p-q-1), indicating that this could affect the validity of counterexamples.
  • There is a discussion about the conjectured relationship between the maximum gap length and logarithmic growth, suggesting that gaps grow slowly relative to the size of the primes.

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Participants express differing views on the nature and implications of prime gaps, with no consensus reached on the validity of the claims regarding the gaps between p and p^2. Multiple competing views and conjectures remain present in the discussion.

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Some claims rely on conjectures that have not been proven, and there are unresolved questions regarding definitions and the implications of the Riemann Hypothesis. The discussion includes various assumptions that may not be universally accepted.

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In sieve method, we could get the prime numbers between p and p^2 applying the primes less than prime number p.

Is there any conclusion about the gap of these primes? Some conjectures show the upper bound of primes gaps before p is g(p)< ln(p)^2 or g(p)<p^(1/2) (If RH is true).

But here we just consider the primes between p and p^2, which are filtered by determinate primes. So I want to know whether we could get some easy conclusions about their gaps by elementary number theory. For example, could we prove the gap of the primes between p and p^2 is less than p? My calculation shows it’s true.
 
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Is there any conclusion about the gap of these primes? Some conjectures show the upper bound of primes gaps before p is g(p)< ln(p)^2 or g(p)<p^(1/2) (If RH is true).

RH would imply g(p)=O((log p)*p^(1/2)), not p^(1/2).

I don't know whose conjecture your g(p)< ln(p)^2 is referring to? There's Cramer's that says the lim sup of g(p)/log(p)^2 is 1 but this doesn't imply your inequality.

But here we just consider the primes between p and p^2, which are filtered by determinate primes. So I want to know whether we could get some easy conclusions about their gaps by elementary number theory. For example, could we prove the gap of the primes between p and p^2 is less than p? My calculation shows it’s true.

What's a "determinate prime"? Knowing the largest gap between p and p^2 is p implies the largest gap less than p is p^(1/2) (just consider a prime larger than sqrt(p) and apply this again, and repeat). Since this is quite a large leap from current results (and stronger than what RH implies) you're going to have to provide something stronger than "My calculation show's it's true" before I come near believing you can prove this.
 
p=13, p^2=169, 113 and 127 are prime, no number between them is prime (5|115, 9|117, 7|119, 11|121, 3|123, 5|125), and 127-113=14>13.

Thankfully there is a small example to find by inspecting a table of primes. I doubt that this is is an isolated example.
 
It would seem suprising if that wasn't isolated (barring including consecutive primes like 7,11 where only one lies between 3 and 3^2). See

http://primes.utm.edu/notes/GapsTable.html

The numerical evidence points to gaps quite a bit smaller than we can prove at this point.
 
That link brings up one question: which definition of difference is the OP using: p-q or p-q-1? The latter makes my counter example false, but I assumed the former, naively.

The gaps are indeed far smaller than I anticipated.
 
p-q or p-q-1, either way a finite number of counter examples (or none) seems likely.

If p(g) is the prime following the first occurrence of a gap of length at least g, it's conjectured that log p(g)~sqrt(g). The maximum gap length seems to grow very slowly. Given the average gap between primes less than x is log(x), it's maybe not too suprising.

The basic proof that there are arbitrarily large gaps doesn't usually stress just how big the number constructed is. A gap of length n-1 following n!+1 is pretty short considering just how large n! is (of course the actual gap here may be bigger, you'd take the largest prime less than n!+2, etc).
 

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