Any Phone Apps that Can Surreptitiously Record?

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The discussion revolves around the search for phone applications that can record audio and/or video surreptitiously, without indicating to others that recording is taking place. Participants explore various apps, their functionalities, and the legal implications of such recordings, particularly in the context of secret shopping and audits.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about apps that can record without displaying a recording screen, citing a need for their part-time job.
  • Another mentions that "Where's My Droid" can perform this function, but it requires payment and must be installed on the user's own phone.
  • A suggestion is made to focus on preventing such recordings through iOS permissions for camera and microphone access.
  • Several participants discuss the app Notability, which allows recording while taking notes, linking notes to specific recording points.
  • One participant suggests that creating a custom app could be a solution, referencing resources on Stack Overflow for code examples.
  • The "Secret Voice Recorder" app is recommended for its ability to record by pressing the power button, even when the phone is locked.
  • Concerns are raised about the legality of surreptitious recordings, with references to varying consent laws across states, emphasizing the importance of checking local laws before recording.
  • Another participant shares their experience as a former newspaper reporter, noting the value of tape recording for interviews but highlighting the legal complexities of undercover recording.
  • The app Alabi is mentioned as capable of recording audio, video, and images, but it does not support recording phone conversations due to legal restrictions.
  • Questions arise about whether Alabi can be activated without unlocking the screen, to which a participant responds that the screen can be turned off while recording continues.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the legality and ethics of surreptitious recording, with some advocating for caution and legal awareness, while others focus on the technical capabilities of various apps. No consensus is reached on the appropriateness of such recordings or the best app to use.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding local laws regarding consent for recordings, which vary significantly by state. The discussion includes references to specific apps and their functionalities, but lacks detailed exploration of the legal implications for each suggested approach.

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I'm wondering if anyone has come across a phone app that can record video and/or audio without going into a "record screen," whereby it's easy for someone in view of the phone's screen to know you're recording them.

No, I'm not stalker or anything like that in case you're wondering. :-p It's something that would be useful for my part-time job. Thanks!
 
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Software like Where's My Droid can do this but it has to be your phone and that option is part of stuff that costs money.
 
kyphysics said:
It's something that would be useful for my part-time job.
What is your part-time job?
 
Notability has a record feature that you can use while taking notes. It will each note to a spot on the recording so when you tap on a note it jumps to the corresponding recording spot.
 
jedishrfu said:
Notability has a record feature that you can use while taking notes. It will each note to a spot on the recording so when you tap on a note it jumps to the corresponding recording spot.

Never heard of NOtability, jedishrfu, but shall look it up. Thx for the rec.

berkeman said:
What is your part-time job?
I do secret shopping and big box store audits. You can always buy a hidden cam, but I don't need it that much to make it worthwhile. I use human memory to "record" stuff, but occasionally it gets hard, due to the number of things happening at once. If a phone has a free app, then that makes it easier.
Borg said:
Software like Where's My Droid can do this but it has to be your phone and that option is part of stuff that costs money.
Never heard of this one either, berkeman, but thanks for the rec. and going to look it up too.
 
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You could just write an app yourself to do this.
There are several questions on stackoverflow where you could copy the code from
e.g. this or this
 
kyphysics said:
I do secret shopping and big box store audits. You can always buy a hidden cam, but I don't need it that much to make it worthwhile. I use human memory to "record" stuff, but occasionally it gets hard, due to the number of things happening at once. If a phone has a free app, then that makes it easier.
The Secret Voice Recorder app works nicely on my stock Samsung Galaxy by pressing the power button three times, even with it locked and encrypted.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.miragestack.secret.voice.recorder
 
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kyphysics said:
I do secret shopping and big box store audits. You can always buy a hidden cam, but I don't need it that much to make it worthwhile. I use human memory to "record" stuff, but occasionally it gets hard, due to the number of things happening at once. If a phone has a free app, then that makes it easier.

I was a newspaper reporter, and found tape recording invaluable for long interviews. However I never did any "undercover" work where I would have wanted to tape-record secretly. You haven't given details of your work, and maybe expectations of privacy don't apply in your case; but I'll go into this issue briefly for the sake of anyone who's curious:

Some states have fairly loose "one-party consent" laws that make it okay for just one party to a conversation to make a surreptitious recording, whether audio or video. However other states, e.g. California, have stricter "two-party consent" laws that would make surreptitious recording of that sort possibly illegal; here for example is an article on the California law: http://www.bc-llp.com/illegally-recording-conversation/

So if anyone reading this thread is contemplating secret recording of other persons' conversations, I'd advise checking the law in your state first. Even if you don't intend to invade privacy (i.e. you want the information for a more general purpose such as data collection), getting caught could be unpleasant for everyone involved.
 
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UsableThought said:
So if anyone reading this thread is contemplating secret recording of other persons' conversations, I'd advise checking the law in your state first. Even if you don't intend to invade privacy (i.e. you want the information for a more general purpose such as data collection), getting caught could be unpleasant for everyone involved.

1,000% agree. Make sure you check your state laws!

I can record secretly in my state (as long as I'm one of the parties IN that conversation). Also, our clients request it sometimes. The reason I can't give you too many details of my work is because it would violate my ICAs that are standard in the industry. Other than saying you do hidden audits and conduct secret shopping, most company's contracts forbid revealing their inner workings, client lists, what you see, etc. So, if my mom wanted to know what I did over the weekend, even I couldn't tell her beyond very general details. :-p

But, basically, I would want to be able to record what was said over the course of an "interaction" with multiple people I encountered while evaluating a business.
 
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I have an Android app called Alabi designed to do exactly what you asked. It can record audio and/or video and/or still images. It time stamps the records, and stores them locally on your phone.

But it will not record your phone conversations, because that runs afoul of different laws.
 
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anorlunda said:
I have an Android app called Alabi designed to do exactly what you asked. It can record audio and/or video and/or still images. It time stamps the records, and stores them locally on your phone.

But it will not record your phone conversations, because that runs afoul of different laws.
Does this app allow you to turn it on without opening/unlocking the screen?
 
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stoomart said:
Does this app allow you to turn it on without opening/unlocking the screen?

No, but you can turn the screen off while it continues recording.
 

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