Any way to solve 3x^8-20x^6-12x^4+12x^2+1 by hand

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The discussion revolves around solving the polynomial equation 3x^8-20x^6-12x^4+12x^2+1 by hand, focusing on its factorization and potential methods for finding roots.

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  • Participants discuss the factorization of the polynomial and the application of the cubic formula. Questions arise regarding the methods used for factoring and the nature of the cubic formula itself.

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Some participants have provided insights into the factorization process and mentioned the cubic formula, while others are seeking clarification on these methods. There is an exploration of whether the polynomial can be factored over the integers and the practicality of solving it by hand.

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One participant notes that the equation arises from the second derivative of a related function, suggesting a specific context for its relevance. There are also mentions of constraints related to the use of Eisenstein's criterion for factorization.

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any way to solve 3x^8-20x^6-12x^4+12x^2+1 by hand
 
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After some factoring, you get
<br /> ( x^2+1) (3 x^6-2 x^4 +11x^2+1)<br />

The second factor is a cubic in x^2 so you can use the cubic formula, but it's messy.
 


how did you factor that what is this cubic formula
 


To give you an idea of what the solutions looks like, I used mathematica to solve it and the six solutions from the cubic formula all look like this

<br /> x = -\sqrt{\frac{23}{9}-\frac{43 5^{2/3}}{9 \left(2 \left(863+27 i \sqrt{69}\right)\right)^{1/3}}+\frac{43 i 5^{2/3}}{3 \sqrt{3} \left(2 \left(863+27 i \sqrt{69}\right)\right)^{1/3}}-\frac{\left(5 \left(863+27 i \sqrt{69}\right)\right)^{1/3}}{9 2^{2/3}}-\frac{i \left(5 \left(863+27 i \sqrt{69}\right)\right)^{1/3}}{3 2^{2/3} \sqrt{3}}}<br />
 


nameVoid said:
how did you factor that what is this cubic formula

You can check to see if it might be factorable over Z with eisenstien's criterion, and I guessed one of the factors (which wasn't difficult because the constant is 1) then used polynomial division. If you had to solve something like that factoring wouldn't really be that practical (unless the coefficients were symmetric or something) but there was an easy factor in this. In fact Eisenstein's can't even be used to check if the second factor can be factored, so this isn't something you would do by hand.

The cubic formula is like the quadratic formula but for cubics. It's very long and not worth memorizing because the answers almost always end up messy.
 
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well this equation comes up on the second derivative when trying to sketch the the curve y=(2-x^2)/(1+x^4)
 

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