Apc.trig.08 quantity choice on y value

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The discussion revolves around the effects of rotating a point in the Cartesian plane, specifically focusing on the y-coordinates of point A before and after a 90-degree anticlockwise rotation about the origin. Participants explore the implications of this rotation on the values and signs of the coordinates, as well as the interpretation of "quantity" in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that after a 90-degree rotation, the y-coordinate of point A in the fourth quadrant will be negative, while the x-coordinate will change sign.
  • Others argue that the y-coordinate remains the same in terms of distance, emphasizing that the y-values in quadrants I and II are positive.
  • There is a claim that both y-coordinates can be considered equal in terms of distance from the x-axis, but the positive y-coordinate is greater.
  • Some participants express confusion about the question being asked and the implications of the rotation.
  • Several participants acknowledge mistakes in their understanding of the quadrant into which the point was rotated.
  • There are light-hearted exchanges about the understanding of clockwise and anticlockwise directions, with references to analog clocks.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the y-coordinates after rotation, with multiple competing views remaining regarding the significance of the signs and values of the coordinates.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of "quantity" and the context of the problem, as well as the implications of the rotation on the coordinates.

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The line containing point A is rotated $90^o$ anticlockwise about the origin O

$\begin{array}{ll}
\textit{The y coordinate of point A }
& \textit{The y coordinate point A}\\
\textit{before rotation}
& \textit{After rotation}
\end{array}$
a. The quantity on the left is greater
b. The quantity on the right is greater
c. Both are equal
d. The relationship cannot be determined without furthor information

well this seems very easy but many have missed it

rotating it into the 4th quadrant will makes the signs of (x,y) to be (+,-) Thus a.

however the x coordinate would be equal...
 
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let $r$ be the distance from the origin to A

x-coordinate changes sign from + to -

$r\cos(135) = -r\cos(45)$

y-coordinate stays the same

$r\sin(135) = r\sin(45)$
 
skeeter said:
let $r$ be the distance from the origin to A

x-coordinate changes sign from + to -

$r\cos(135) = -r\cos(45)$

y-coordinate stays the same

$r\sin(135) = r\sin(45)$
so quantity means distance not sign
 
(0,-5) and (0,5) are the same distance from the x-axis, but the positive y-coordinate is the greater quantity …

5 > -5
 
I think it is confusing exactly what they are asking
 
both y-coordinates are the same

how is that confusing?
 
one y=5 the other y=-5
 
karush said:
one y=5 the other y=-5

no … both are positive in your original posted problem

y-values in quadrants I and II are > 0
 
I confess I rotated it into the 4thQ not 2ndQ
 
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karush said:
I confess I rotated it into the 4thQ not 2ndQ

… it happens.
 
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Look at a clock! Or does everyone have digital clocks now and don't know what "clockwise" and "anti-clockwise" mean? (Though I would say "clockwise" and "counter-clockwise".)
 
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yeah just spaced on it
circular clocks are what cave men had
 
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Oh, God! I feel so old!
 
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well you know more than me and I'm 76🤔
 
  • #15
Okay, so you are younger than I am- don't rub it in!
 
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Country Boy said:
Look at a clock! Or does everyone have digital clocks now and don't know what "clockwise" and "anti-clockwise" mean? (Though I would say "clockwise" and "counter-clockwise".)
Deosil and widdershins.

-Dan
 
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so far it been a lot of work but almost 50,000 views on the problems

https://dl.orangedox.com/6rStfn4eMFHuHvAKuX
 

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