Apparently easy but super frustrating question about Boyle's Law

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This discussion centers on the application of Boyle's Law to different ideal gases, specifically addressing the relationship between pressure, volume, and particle density. The user expresses frustration over the lack of resources explaining how to compare two different gases under Boyle's Law, particularly in thermal contact. The discussion highlights that Boyle's Law, in conjunction with Avogadro's Law, leads to the conclusion that the ratio of pressure to particle density (p/n) remains constant for all ideal gases at the same temperature. The user seeks clarification on the intuitiveness of this concept and how to prove it.

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  • Understanding of Boyle's Law (pV = k)
  • Familiarity with Avogadro's Law
  • Basic knowledge of ideal gas behavior
  • Concept of thermal equilibrium
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Okay... everywhere i look, it keeps talking about Boyle's Law applied to THE SAME gas! It's so frustrating and retarded! I get it, p1V1 = p2V2. Yay... I didn't even need to look THAT up!

But my question is, how do you compare 2 different (ideal) gases?? It seems like such an obvious problem to address, but google searching just yields pages and pages of what I said above, rather than addressing this... Grr. Anyway, if I have 2 different containers of gasses, and they're in thermal contact, how do I work with Boyle's Law? (This is for my thermodynamics course.)

My book says that Boyle's Law together with Avagdro's Law implies that p/n is the same for all ideal gases (where n is particle density, N/V). But this is completely NOT obvious to me. How do I prove this? Is it supposed to be intuitive??

Specifically, my example problem asks this... you have nitrogen at 1.26 kg/m^3 at pressure 1 bar and helium at 0.36 kg/m^3 at pressure 2 bar. Molecular weight of nitrogen = 28 and of helium = 4. Are the two gases in thermal equilibrium?

Homework Equations



pV = k

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Well, the solution is already given in the book (since it's a sample problem), but it doesn't explain why p/n is the same for all gases at same temperature -- it just states it as if it's obvious or something -- and I don't see why that necessarily is obvious, so... how do I prove that it is true? And am I the only one to whom this is not intuitive??


Thanks a lot!
 
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darussiaman said:
My book says that Boyle's Law together with Avagdro's Law implies that p/n is the same for all ideal gases (where n is particle density, N/V). But this is completely NOT obvious to me. How do I prove this? Is it supposed to be intuitive??

What is characteristic of ideal gas? Or what are assumptions of kinetic theory of gases?
 

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