Application asking for five references - I don't have that many

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenge of providing five references for a tenure-track faculty application when the original poster (OP) feels they do not have enough suitable contacts. The conversation explores the implications of reference requirements in academic job applications, particularly for early-career positions.

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Main Points Raised

  • The OP has two strong references but struggles to identify additional contacts who can provide meaningful recommendations.
  • Some participants note that requests for five references are uncommon for entry-level positions, with three or four being more typical.
  • One participant suggests that teaching experience could enhance the OP's reference pool, questioning whether the OP has served as a teaching assistant or taught courses during their graduate studies or postdoc.
  • The OP mentions their current employment situation, indicating they are the only trained specialist in their field at their workplace, which limits their options for references.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential rejection of the application if the OP submits fewer than five references, highlighting the perceived importance of adhering to application instructions.
  • Suggestions are made to contact the search chair or secretary for clarification on the reference requirement, though the OP expresses reluctance to do so due to concerns about appearing unprofessional.
  • Another participant humorously notes the OP's situation regarding coworkers, suggesting that if the OP lacks references from colleagues, it reflects a solitary work environment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the OP's situation is not uncommon, but there is no consensus on the best course of action regarding the reference requirement. Multiple viewpoints on the importance of adhering to the application instructions and the potential for contacting the hiring committee exist.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the variability in reference requirements across different academic positions and institutions, as well as the subjective nature of reference value based on the OP's specific circumstances.

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I am considering applying for a tenure-track faculty appointment at the assistant professor level. The call for applications requests contact information for five references.

In the past eight or so years, I have had two bosses (my PhD advisor and postdoc mentor) who will surely provide stellar recommendations. Beyond that, I haven't worked with many people who would know about my research or who have worked with me in a professional capacity.

I can likely come up with two people whom I have worked with as additional points of contact (the lab supervisor from my grad group and a fellow postdoc at my current place of work), though their recommendations would not carry much weight. Furthermore, I cannot come up with a fifth reference aside from begging a former committee member whom I haven't had contact with for 2+ years and who likely won't remember me let alone details of my research.

What would you do in this situation?
 
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I have never seen a request for five references. In my experience, three seems to be the most common, with four requested on occasion.

As a grad student, did you work as a TA? As a postdoc, did you teach any courses?
 
I have seen requests for five references for senior-level appointments, but seldom for entry-level.

My grad school was a large R1 university with one of the largest departments in the US. I did a fair bit of TA, but without lecture experience. Similarly, since my postdoc is with a federal agency rather than an academic institution, I do not currently have any teaching opportunities. This position would be expected to be research-intensive, and I expect that recommendations that can verify promise for soliciting external funding would be of higher value than those speaking towards my ability to teach.
 
Does your supervisor have any colleagues at your place of employment?
 
V 50 -- I'm actually the only person trained in my specialty at my current place of employment. And, after a few rounds of layoffs, there's surprisingly few left even in my scientific discipline. The department to which I wish to apply is heavily focused in my specialty and my postdoc mentor is good friends with the search chair. Regardless, I worry that an application with less than the requested number of references could be rejected without further review.
 
Why not call them ask ask for clarifications regarding the number of required references?
 
Aero51 - I've considered this, but I just can't think of any reasonable way to save face in this conversation. I can't imagine the search chair would be pleased to field a call regarding whether it would be acceptible if I do not follow the application instructions.
 
You could try calling the secretary, I bet you're not the only one who's had that question. If you don't have all 5 from employers, why not use the remaining on coworkers who can vouch for your credibility. If you have no coworkers, then you have a very lonely job!
 

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