Application of Differentiation - Points of Inflection.

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The discussion revolves around the application of differentiation to identify points of inflection for the function $$y(x)=x^4-36x^2$$. Participants explore concepts related to intercepts, stationary points, intervals of increase, concavity, and the conditions for points of inflection.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Nemo presents initial findings on intercepts, stationary points, and points of inflection, expressing uncertainty about the identification of points of inflection.
  • Mark provides a detailed breakdown of the function's properties, including the calculation of intercepts, stationary points, and points of inflection, emphasizing the even nature of the function.
  • Mark explains the process of determining points of inflection through the second derivative and the significance of the multiplicity of roots in determining concavity changes.
  • Nemo seeks clarification on the transition from the second derivative to the evaluation of the function at points of inflection, indicating confusion about the calculations presented by Mark.
  • Mark elaborates on the concept of odd and even multiplicities in relation to sign changes across roots, providing examples to illustrate the concept.
  • Ackbach introduces an additional criterion for confirming points of inflection, focusing on the behavior of higher-order derivatives.
  • Nemo expresses gratitude for the clarifications and acknowledges a moment of confusion that was resolved through discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants engage in a constructive dialogue, with some points of clarification provided by Mark and Ackbach. However, there remains uncertainty regarding the identification of points of inflection and the calculations involved, indicating that the discussion is not fully resolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the behavior of the function and the conditions for points of inflection, which are not fully settled. The calculations presented involve multiple steps that may depend on the interpretation of the function's properties.

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Hi Community,

I have this question.

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When I graph it I get:

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When I answer the first sets of questions

a,

Intercepts: $$x=(-6), x=0, x=6$$

Stationary points: $$(0,0) , (-3\sqrt{2}, -324) , (3\sqrt{2}, -324)$$

Points of inflection: $$ x=0 $$ This is where I was wrong. (It's a turning point isn't it?)

How do I work out the points of inflection?

I realized now there should be two at around $$(-3ish,-200ish)$$ & $$(3ish,-200ish)$$
(Could be more, as I am still trying to learn where a point of inflection is and isn't)

b, State where the function $$x^4-36^2$$ is:

Non negative: $$(-6,0) , (6,0) , (0,0)$$

Increasing: $$(-3 \sqrt{2}, -324)$$ $$\to$$ $$(0,0)$$ then $$(3 \sqrt{2}, -324) $$ $$\to$$ $$(\infty,\infty)$$

Concave up: $$(-\infty,0]$$ & $$[0,\infty)$$

Please review all of my answers and point out if there is a better way to express them more accurately.

Many thanks for your time in advance.

Cheers

Nemo.

(Not sure why the attached imaged are there, can't find where to delete them either sorry)
 

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Hello Nemo!

I edited your post and deleted the duplicate images, leaving only the ones attached inline. :)

Okay...we are given the function:

$$y(x)=x^4-36x^2$$

This first thing I notice about this function is that it's even, that is $y(-x)=y(x)$, which means all behaviors will be "mirrored" across the $y$-axis, so we really need only concern ourselves with non-negative values of $x$, and the refelct across the $y$-axis when it is convenient to do so.

On to the questions...

Intercepts:

To find the $y$-intercept, we set $x=0$, and so it will be at $\left(0,y(0)\right)=(0,0)$.

To find the $x$-intercept(s), we set $y=0$ and solve for $x$:

$$y(x)=x^4-36x^2=x^2\left(x^2-6^2\right)=x^2(x+6)(x-6)=0$$

And so we see that the $x$-intercepts are (by equating each factor in turn to zero):

$$(-6,0),\,(0,0),\,(6,0)$$

Stationary points:

These are points where the first derivative is zero...so let's see:

$$y'(x)=4x^3-72x=4x\left(x^2-18\right)=4x(x+3\sqrt{2})(x-3\sqrt{2})=0$$

$$y(0)=0$$

$$y(3\sqrt{2})=18^2-36(18)=-18^2=-324$$

And so the stationary points are: $$(0,0),\,\left(\pm3\sqrt{2},-324\right)$$

Points of inflection:

These are where the second derivative is zero AND the concavity changes across these points, that is, the sign of the second derivative changes.

$$y''(x)=12x^2-72=12\left(x^2-6\right)=12(x+\sqrt{6})(x-\sqrt{6})=0$$

We see each root is of odd multiplicity (they occur once, and 1 is an odd number), and so we know the sign of $y''$ will alternate across each root, and so we find:

$$y\left(\pm\sqrt{6}\right)=6^2-6^3=6^2(1-6)=-180$$

And thus, the points of inflection are at:

$$\left(\pm\sqrt{6},-180\right)$$

Non-negative:

$$y(x)\ge0$$

$$x^4-36x^2\ge0$$

$$x^2(x+6)(x-6)\ge0$$

We observe that the root $x=0$ is of even multiplicity, and so the sign of $y$ will not change across this root. We see that the sign of the term with the largest exponent is positive, and this exponent is even, and so we know:

$$\lim_{x\to\pm\infty}=\infty$$

and so we may conclude that $y$ is non-negative on:

$$(-\infty,-6)\,\cup\,[0,0]\,\cup\,(6,\infty)$$

Increasing:

These are in intervals where the first derivative is positive:

$$y'(x)=4x^3-72x=4x\left(x^2-18\right)=4x(x+3\sqrt{2})(x-3\sqrt{2})>0$$

We see that:

$$\lim_{x\to\pm\infty}=\pm\infty$$

and that all roots of $y'$ are of odd multiplicity, and so we may conclude that in the 4 intervals made by the 3 roots, we will have decreasing/increasing/decreasing/increasing, so we know the function is increasin on the 2nd and 4th intervals, given by:

$$\left(-3\sqrt{2},0\right)\,\cup\,(3\sqrt{2},\infty)$$

Concave up:

These are the intervals where the second derivative is positive:

$$y''(x)=12x^2-72=12\left(x^2-6\right)=12(x+\sqrt{6})(x-\sqrt{6})>0$$

We see that $y''$ is a parabola opening upwards, and so we know that over the 3 intervals created by the 2 roots, the sign will alternate positive/negative/positive from left to right. And so we conclude that $y$ is concave up on:

$$(-\infty,-\sqrt{6})\,\cup\,(\sqrt{6},\infty)$$
 
Hi Mark,

Thanks for the detailed explanation,

I am unsure of how you went from:

$$y''(x)=12x^2-72=12\left(x^2-6\right)=12(x+\sqrt{6})(x-\sqrt{6})=0$$

to:

$$y\left(\pm\sqrt{6}\right)=6^2-6^3=6^2(1-6)=-180$$

to:

$$\left(\pm\sqrt{6},-180\right)$$

Can you please break this down for me.

Also when you said:
MarkFL said:
We see each root is of odd multiplicity (they occur once, and 1 is an odd number), and so we know the sign of $y''$ will alternate across each root, and so we find:

Is this because the sign on the $y$ axis change from positive to negative when $$x=\pm6$$

Cheers Nemo
 
Nemo said:
I am unsure of how you went from:

$$y''(x)=12x^2-72=12\left(x^2-6\right)=12(x+\sqrt{6})(x-\sqrt{6})=0$$

to:

$$y\left(\pm\sqrt{6}\right)=6^2-6^3=6^2(1-6)=-180$$

to:

$$\left(\pm\sqrt{6},-180\right)$$

Can you please break this down for me.

We see that the roots of $y''$ are $x=\pm\sqrt{6}$, and so these are the $x$-values at which the points of inflection will occur. So we need to evaluate $y$ at these values:

$$y(\pm\sqrt{6})=(\pm\sqrt{6})^4-36(\pm\sqrt{6})^2=6^2-6^2(6)=6^2-6^3=6^2(1-6)=36(-5)=-180$$

And so the two inflection points are $(-\sqrt{6},-180)$ and $(\sqrt{6},-180)$, which we may more concisely state as:

$$(\pm\sqrt{6},-180)$$

Nemo said:
Also when you said:

MarkFL said:
We see each root is of odd multiplicity (they occur once, and 1 is an odd number), and so we know the sign of $y''$ will alternate across each root, and so we find:

Is this because the sign on the $y$ axis change from positive to negative when $$x=\pm6$$

There, I was making use of the fact that when a function has a root of odd multiplicity, the function's graph will pass through the $x$-axis. When there is a root of even multiplicity, then the function will be tangent to the $x$-axis, and not pass through it.

If a function has only roots of odd multiplicity, then the sign of that function will alternate across all of its roots. Consider the simple case of:

$$f(x)=x$$

It has the root $x=0$ and it is of multiplicity 1, and we see that the function goes from negative to positive as it crosses this root. Its sign has changed. Then look at the function:

$$g(x)=x^2$$

It has the root $x=0$ and it is of multiplicity 2, and we see that the function goes from positive to positive as it crosses this root. Its sign has not changed.

This holds true for functions having multiple roots. Look at the graph of $y=(x-1)(x-2)$:

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Observe how the function changes sign across both roots. Now look at the graph of $y=(x-1)(x-2)^2$

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See how the function changes sign across the root of odd multiplicity ($x=1$), but does not change sign across the root of even multiplicity ($x=2$).

Making use of the parity (whether it is odd or even) of the multiplicity of roots allows you to easily find the sign of a function across all intervals once you establish the sign in just one interval. This way you do not need to tediously test a point in each interval.
 

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Another way you can show that a candidate point of inflection actually is a point of inflection is to show that the point satisfies these criteria: $f''(a)=0$, AND $f'''(a)\not=0$ (or the lowest non-zero derivative above the second derivative has to be of odd order). This ensures that the concavity will actually change at $a$.
 
Thanks Mark and Ackbach,

I had myself in a tail spin till I took a break and came back to it and realized that in Mark's explanation of the point of inflection we are plugging the $$\pm\sqrt{6}$$ back into the original equation $$y=x^4-36x^2$$.

Many many thanks for everyones time in clarifying this for me.

Cheers Nemo
 

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