Applying to PhD programs after a few years out of academia

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the challenges and strategies for applying to PhD programs in physics after a few years away from academia. Participants explore the implications of a non-traditional academic path and how to effectively communicate relevant experiences in application materials.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Meta-discussion

Main Points Raised

  • One participant shares their academic background and work experience in biotech, expressing concern about their competitiveness for PhD programs and seeking advice on application strategies.
  • Another participant suggests that the applicant's recent experiences are impressive and should be presented honestly in their statement of purpose (SoP).
  • There is a suggestion that a better SoP could improve the applicant's chances, but questions arise about whether they are applying to schools at the same level as before.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of being positive and well-informed in the application process, advising against trying to "spin" experiences.
  • One participant humorously comments on the language used in the original post, drawing a parallel to figure skating forums, which introduces a light-hearted tone to the discussion.
  • Additional comments focus on the informal language used in the original post, with participants discussing its impact on the perceived tone of the writing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the applicant's experiences are valuable and should be presented positively. However, there is no consensus on the effectiveness of the applicant's previous application strategy or the level of schools they should target.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying opinions on the importance of the SoP and the applicant's choice of language, indicating a range of perspectives on how to approach the application process.

jrh1380649
Messages
1
Reaction score
1
So I graduated in 2019 from a smaller state university with 2 honors BAs in physics and applied math. 3.83 GPA, all A's in my 400 level classes, few years of computational research and some independent honors projects, and I was involved with tutoring, TA'ing, led the SPS chapter, etc. Didn't do an REU and wasn't able to publish a paper from my research. Applied to grad schools in 2019 but the first batch got rejected and I pulled all my remaining apps when I realized Covid was going to be a huge problem. Since then I've worked at a biotech startup, I did everything from running PCR's to developing analytic software, and currently I'm in a leading role for projects in next generation sequencing and I'm the in-house automations engineer, all of which is to say I've done a ton of programming in the past couple years, and a lot of it is analysis and computation heavy. I've kept up with my physics by tutoring the local undergrads, and my old profs tend to refer students from their 300 and 400 level classes to me, which I interpret as trust that I won't screw up their students. I miss doing physics full time. I want to apply to another state school (middle of the road reputation, not UCSB but not no-where either) with a sweet research group doing GW theory and cosmology. I know all of those programs and positions get insane competition, and I want to know 2 things:

1. Am I screwed from the jump?
2. How do I spin my time outside of school on my applications and emphasize that I have kept my math and physics sharp? Writing an SoP was the worst part of the first application process and where I place the blame for my early rejections, and I feel like it's only going to be harder now.

Thanks
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: vanhees71
Physics news on Phys.org
jrh1380649 said:
1. Am I screwed from the jump?

To paraphrase Henry Ford, Whether you think you're screwed or think you're not screwed, you're right.
jrh1380649 said:
2. How do I spin my time outside of school on my applications and emphasize that I have kept my math and physics sharp? Writing an SoP was the worst part of the first application process and where I place the blame for my early rejections, and I feel like it's only going to be harder now.
What you have done in the last few years sounds very impressive to me. It should to schools too. Just tell the truth.

Also, as an aside, consider than you may do a lot better career wise in biotech than theoretical physics. At least as far as pay and possibly impacting the world goes.
 
Well, yes, a better SOP can't hurt.

But are you applying to schools at the same level as the ones that all rejected you?
 
bob012345 said:
What you have done in the last few years sounds very impressive to me. It should to schools too. Just tell the truth.
I agree.
There is no "spin" that the admissions folks want here. Be positive and well informed. Consider what you can supply of value to their community of scholars (Academical Village to quote Mr Jefferson in this sad time) and what they can supply, in return, to you. Put in a little fluff (humor, praise, anecdote, or other) and send it.
If you know your references you could coordinate with them a bit. Good Luck.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: vanhees71 and berkeman
jrh1380649 said:
1. Am I screwed from the jump?
2. How do I spin my time outside of school on my applications and emphasize that I have kept my math and physics sharp? Writing an SoP was the worst part of the first application process and where I place the blame for my early rejections, and I feel like it's only going to be harder now.
<<Emphasis added>> Interesting choice of words. I'm also a member of figure skating forums. For a moment, I thought I was in one of those. Are you a figure skater too?
 
I guess railing against use of "wanna" and "gonna" in written prose is just a sign of impending decrepitude.
 
I'm going to say it makes it kinda folksy. Waddaya think?
 
You forgot "amirite?"

Lol
 
  • Haha
Likes   Reactions: hutchphd

Similar threads

  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
1K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
4K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
5K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 23 ·
Replies
23
Views
2K
  • · Replies 32 ·
2
Replies
32
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K