Approximate a spectrum from a series of measurements

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the problem of approximating an unknown reflection spectrum, R(λ), from a known intensity spectrum, P(λ), and total reflected light intensity, I. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of the problem, potential measurement strategies, and the implications of linear algebra in this context.

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  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a method to express the relationship between intensity and reflection spectrum using linear algebra, suggesting the need for multiple intensity measurements with different light sources to avoid an underdetermined system.
  • Another participant rewrites the problem in terms of Hilbert space, indicating that many different reflection spectra could satisfy the equation, highlighting the inherent ambiguity in the problem.
  • A further contribution suggests using a basis from the RGB color space to simplify the problem, proposing that three coordinates could suffice instead of integrating over the spectrum.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to choose the light source spectra, particularly for non-ideal cases beyond the discrete delta function approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the problem and the potential for multiple solutions, indicating a lack of consensus on the best approach to take. There are competing views on the measurement strategy and the mathematical formulation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations of their approaches, including the dependence on the choice of light source spectra and the challenges posed by the underdetermined nature of the system.

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Hi. I am working on a linear algebra problem that arose somewhat like this: Suppose that you are shining a light with a known intensity spectrum [itex]P(\lambda)[/itex] upon a surface with an unknown reflection spectrum, [itex]R(\lambda)[/itex]. You have a detector to detect the total reflected light intensity, I. How to find [itex]R(\lambda)[/itex] ?

We know that:
[itex]I = \int_{400}^{800} P(\lambda)R(\lambda) d\lambda \approx \Delta\lambda\sum_{i=1}^N P(\lambda_i)R(\lambda_i)[/itex].

My strategy so far has been:
Rewrite to [itex]I \approx \vec{A^T} \cdot \vec{R}(\vec{\lambda})[/itex], where [itex]\vec{\lambda^T} = [\lambda_1, \lambda_2, ..., \lambda_N][/itex], [itex]\vec{R}(\lambda) = [R(\lambda_1), R(\lambda_2),...][/itex]and [itex]\vec{A^T} = \Delta\lambda[P(\lambda_1), P(\lambda_2),...][/itex].

To be able to solve(or rather approximate) the spectrum i figured I need to have at least N intensity measurements with different light sources so that i don't have an underdetermined system.
Then one gets a linear system where row k is:
[itex]\vec{I} \approx A \vec{R}(\vec{\lambda})[/itex]. Where row k of A is: [itex]A_k = \Delta\lambda[P_k(\lambda_1), P_k(\lambda_2),...][/itex].

Then I figured to find the least square solution of the linear system.
This yielded poor results so far, but that may be to bugs in the code or poor choice of lightsource spectrum.

Is my approach reasonable? How do I choose[itex]P_k(\lambda)[/itex](This is so far a theoretical probelm, so I can choose them to whatever i want)?
Does anyone know of a similar problem that I can learn from?
 
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Rewriting your problem in Hilbert space terms you have [itex]I=(\vec{P},\vec{R})[/itex] where I is a scalar and () is the scalar product in the L2 space. Looking at that equation, you can immediately see the problem: There are a lot of different values for [itex]\vec{R}[/itex] that will satisfy the equation.
 
Thanks. Yup, I understand that, although my knowledge of abstract LA is limited. My idea was, however, that I can do multiple measurements of the intensity with different source lightspectra [itex]P(\lambda)[/itex], and thus start to get information about the spectrum. For instance if i do N measurments with the discrete delta function(centered at each [itex]\lambda_i[/itex]) as the source spectrum, I can easily do it. But that is a bit too convenient... I'm wondering how to best do it for other [itex]P(\lambda)[/itex]?
 
What you need is a base for the color space. A good candidate is the RBG color space used in color monitors (and color TV). Based on that concept, you can get away with three coordinates and skip the integral (BTW, this is what happens in a video camera).
 

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