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The discussion revolves around approximating the area under the curve defined by the function $$y = x^2 + 2x$$ over the interval from $$x = 1$$ to $$x = 5$$. Participants explore various numerical methods for integration, including left and right Riemann sums, the trapezoidal rule, and Simpson's rule, as well as the exact value using the fundamental theorem of calculus.

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  • One participant proposes using left endpoints for the left Riemann sum (L4) and right endpoints for the right Riemann sum (R4) to approximate the area.
  • Another participant clarifies the formulas for L4 and R4, suggesting the sums should be calculated as $$\sum_{k=1}^4 (k^2 + 2k)$$ and $$\sum_{k=2}^5 (k^2 + 2k)$$ respectively.
  • Participants report their calculated values for L4 and R4 as 50 and 82, respectively.
  • Further calculations for the trapezoidal rule (T4) and Simpson's rule (S4) are presented, with one participant stating T4 equals 66 and S4 equals $$\frac{196}{3}$$.
  • There is a discussion about finding the exact value of the integral using the fundamental theorem of calculus, with one participant expressing uncertainty about their result.
  • Another participant confirms the exact value calculation and questions why Simpson's rule yields the exact result for this parabolic function.
  • One participant speculates that the relationship between the coefficients in the formulas may explain why Simpson's rule provides an exact result.
  • A later reply explains that Simpson's rule uses parabolic arcs, which can exactly integrate parabolic functions, while the trapezoidal method can exactly integrate linear functions.

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Participants generally agree on the calculated values for L4 and R4, but there is some uncertainty regarding the interpretation of results from the trapezoidal rule and Simpson's rule. The discussion remains open regarding the reasons behind the exactness of Simpson's rule.

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Some participants mention missing closing parentheses in their initial expressions, and there are discussions about potential typos in the final results. The discussion also reflects varying levels of confidence in the application of numerical methods and their interpretations.

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Consider the area between the curve $$y = x^2 + 2x$$ from $$x = 1$$ to $$x = 5.$$

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Approximate the area of the region by using a regular partition of 4 sub intervals.

a) using L4 i,e, left hand endpoints
b) using R4 i,e, right hand endpoints

So for the left hand endpoints would I just plug into the function? like for example;

$$(1^2 + 2(1) + (2^2 + 2(2) + (3^2 + 2(3) + (4^2 + 2(4) = L4?$$
and$$
(2^2 + 2(2) + (3^2 + 2(3) + (4^2 + 2(4) + (5^2 + 2(5) = R4?$$

Or am I on the wrong track here?
 

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With the exception of missing closing parentheses, it looks good. For clarity, I would write:

$$f(x)=x^2+2x$$

$$\text{L}4=\frac{5-1}{4}\sum_{k=1}^4f(k)=\sum_{k=1}^4\left(k^2+2k \right)$$

$$\text{R}4=\frac{5-1}{4}\sum_{k=2}^5f(k)=\sum_{k=2}^5\left(k^2+2k \right)$$
 
Thank you Mark,

I got $$L4 = 50$$ &$$ R4 = 82$$...

The next question it says is

c) using T4 i.e. Trapezoid Rule
d)using simpson rule i,e, S4

(I would have posted a new topic BUT, these are all questions for one question, or relating to this problem, they are like subquestions of this question. Let me know if this is a problem)

basically just need someone to check my answers

I got

$$T4 = 66$$

and $$s4 = \frac{196}{3}$$

and finally

d)find the exact value by using the fundament theorem.

and I wasn't sure about this one but i got

$$\int^5_1 x^2 + 2x dx = \frac{1}{3}x^3 + x^2$$

so then

upper limit minus lower limit to get $$\frac{196}{5}$$
 
shamieh said:
Thank you Mark,

I got $$L4 = 50$$ &$$ R4 = 82$$...

I get the same results. :D

shamieh said:
The next question it says is:

(I would have posted a new topic BUT, these are all questions for one question, or relating to this problem, they are like subquestions of this question. Let me know if this is a problem)

basically just need someone to check my answers.

Yes, since these are all related to the same problem, it is better for you to post them in the same thread. We consider this to be one question, having multiple parts.

shamieh said:
c) using T4, i.e. Trapezoid Rule

I got

$$T4 = 66$$

$$T_4=\frac{5-1}{2\cdot4}\sum_{k=0}^{4-1}\left(f(1+k)+f(1+(k+1)) \right)=\frac{1}{2}\sum_{k=0}^3\left(2k^2+10k+11 \right)=66$$

shamieh said:
d)using Simpson's Rule, i.e. S4

and $$s4 = \frac{196}{3}$$

$$S_4=\frac{5-1}{3\cdot4}\sum_{k=0}^{4-3}\left(f(1+2k)+4f(1+(2k+1))+f(1+(2k+2)) \right)=\frac{2}{3}\sum_{k=0}^1\left(12k^2+36k+25 \right)=\frac{196}{3}$$

shamieh said:
and finally

d)find the exact value by using the fundament theorem.

and I wasn't sure about this one but i got

$$\int^5_1 x^2 + 2x dx = \frac{1}{3}x^3 + x^2$$

so then

upper limit minus lower limit to get $$\frac{196}{5}$$

$$\int_1^5 x^2+2x\,dx=\left[\frac{1}{3}x^3+x^2 \right]_1^5=\left(\frac{1}{3}5^3+5^2 \right)-\left(\frac{1}{3}1^3+1^2 \right)=\frac{200}{3}-\frac{4}{3}=\frac{196}{3}$$

I am assuming you just had a typo in your final result.

Can you explain why Simpson's Rule gave the exact result?
 
MarkFL said:
$$\int_1^5 x^2+2x\,dx=\left[\frac{1}{3}x^3+x^2 \right]_1^5=\left(\frac{1}{3}5^3+5^2 \right)-\left(\frac{1}{3}1^3+1^2 \right)=\frac{200}{3}-\frac{4}{3}=\frac{196}{3}$$

I am assuming you just had a typo in your final result.

Can you explain why Simpson's Rule gave the exact result?

Yep was just a typo, that should be $$\frac{196}{3}$$

I'm not sure why Simpsons gives us the same result. I'm guessing it has something to do with $$\frac{1}{3}$$ and $$\frac{deltaX}{3}$$ being in both problems?
 
Simpson's Rule uses parabolic arcs to approximate a definite integral, and since the given function was parabolic, this is why Simpson's Rule returned the exact value. In the same way, the Trapezoidal Method would return the exact value for a linear function. :D
 

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