Approximate value of ##E=1/2! +1/3!+1/4!+... ##

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The discussion revolves around finding an approximate value for the expression E = 1/2! + 1/3! + 1/4! + ... in the context of a math test. Participants explore methods to estimate this value using inequalities and series approximations.

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  • Participants discuss using inequalities to bound the value of E, with some suggesting the use of the convexity of the logarithm of the Gamma function. Others propose adding terms of the series to establish upper and lower bounds for E.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing various ideas and approaches to approximate E. Some have provided specific bounds and calculations, while others question the effectiveness of their methods. There is no explicit consensus on a single approach, but several productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants note the constraints of the homework context, emphasizing the need to show effort and understanding in their responses. There are also mentions of potential roundoff errors in calculations due to the use of calculators.

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Homework Statement
##n\in \mathbb{Z^+}## and given ##1/n! > 1/(n+1)! +1/(n+2)!+...##
find the approximate value of ##E=1/2! +1/3!+1/4!+... ##
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##n\in \mathbb{Z^+}## and if we know ##1/n! > 1/(n+1)! +1/(n+2)!+...##
find the approximate value of ##E=1/2! +1/3!+1/4!+... ##
I know ##1+1/1!+1/2!+1/3!+...=e=2,71.. ## but I have to find approximate value of E using inequality.
 
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littlemathquark said:
but I have to find
Is this for schoolwork?
 
Yes, it's in a math test.
 
Then you need to show more effort. We do not take your math tests for you.
 
The following are the test choices
0,5 0,6 0,7 0,8 0,9
 
berkeman said:
Then you need to show more effort. We do not take your math tests for you.
I know but I need an idea.
 
littlemathquark said:
I know but I need an idea.
Idea: Bohr-Mollerup uses the convexity of the logarithm of ##\Gamma(x).##
 
Thank you but I dont know that theorem but I found this idea
İt's clear E>0,5

E<1/2! +1/2!
E<(1/2! +1/3!)+1/3!
E<(1/2!+1/3! +1/4!)+1/4!
E<(1/2!+1/3! +1/4!+1/5!)+1/5!
 
E<(1/2!) +1/2!=1 and added number 1/2!=0,5
E<(1/2! +1/3!)+1/3!=5/6=0,83 and added number 1/3!=0,16
E<(1/2!+1/3! +1/4!)+1/4!=3/4=0,75 and added number 1/4!=0,04

It can be said that after this stage, since the numbers added will be very small, the number E approaches 0.7 by decreasing.
 
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WWGD said:
Well, ##1/2^n## is a lower bound for ##n \geq 1##, though hardly a tight one. Edit: Thus ## 1+1/2+...+1/2^n+...=2*## would be a lower bound, albeit obviously not too tight.

*Converging to, as n grows.
İs ##1/2^n## is a lower bound or upper bound?
 
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littlemathquark said:
İs ##1/2^n## is a lower bound or upper bound?
Edit: My bad, I realize I misread; let me delete it. This is my idea: As a loweer bound, add the first 10 terms ##1+(1/2!)+...+(1/10!)## and then use a geometric progression starting with ##(1/11!)## and common ratio ##(1/11)##,

Then we have the bound ##1+(1/2!)+....+(1/10!)+ (1/39916800)[\frac{1}{1-(1/11)}##.]
 
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WWGD said:
My bad, I realize I misread; let me delete it. This is my idea: As an upper bound, add the first 10 terms ##1+(1/2!)+...+(1/10!)## and then use a geometric progression starting with ##(1/11!)## and common ratio ##(1/11)##,

Then we have the bound ##1+(1/2!)+....+(1/10!)+ (1/39916800)[\frac{1}{1-(1/11)}##.]
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the given inequality is an upper bound for the error in approximating E by its first n-1 terms.

Unfortunately, use of a small hand held calculator also introduced, for me, roundoff error. My computation of the first 12 terms gave me .718281829, which should have been an underestimate, with error less than 1/13!, but is obviously an overestimate in the last digit.
 
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