Approximation of a function in limit of small and large x

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The discussion revolves around the approximation of the function y = x{[1 + (1/x)^2]^(1/2) - 1} in the limits of small and large values of the parameter x. Participants explore the behavior of this function algebraically, particularly how it behaves as x approaches 0 and infinity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the paper suggests y becomes independent of x for small values of x and proportional to (1/x) for large x, seeking algebraic verification.
  • Another participant applies L'Hospital's rule to analyze the limit as x approaches 0, suggesting that the limit depends on the direction from which x approaches 0, indicating a potential error in the paper's claim.
  • A different approach involves calculating the Taylor expansion for h(x) at x=0, leading to a series expansion that challenges the notion of independence from x.
  • One participant reformulates the function to analyze its limits, concluding that as x approaches infinity, the limit is 0, and as x approaches 0, the limit is 1.
  • Concerns are raised about the treatment of negative values of x, particularly regarding the square root function and its implications for the limits discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of the function as x approaches 0 and infinity. There is no consensus on whether y becomes independent of x or remains dependent on its value in these limits.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of considering the direction of limits and the implications of negative values of x, which may affect the conclusions drawn about the function's behavior.

FrankDrebon
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Hi all,

I'm having a bit of trouble getting my head round approximations to a function in the limit of small and large values of the x parameter. The function is:

y = x\left\{ {\left[ {1 + \left( {{1 \over x}} \right)^2 } \right]^{{1 \over 2}} - 1} \right\}

The paper I'm reading says y becomes independent of x for small values of x. For large values of x, y becomes proportional to (1/x). Has anyone got any ideas of how this can be shown algebraically? I haven't had to do this for a while!

FD
 
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FrankDrebon said:
Hi all,

I'm having a bit of trouble getting my head round approximations to a function in the limit of small and large values of the x parameter. The function is:

y = x\left\{ {\left[ {1 + \left( {{1 \over x}} \right)^2 } \right]^{{1 \over 2}} - 1} \right\}

The paper I'm reading says y becomes independent of x for small values of x. For large values of x, y becomes proportional to (1/x). Has anyone got any ideas of how this can be shown algebraically? I haven't had to do this for a while!

FD
Let us look at
h(x):=\frac{\left(1+\frac{1}{x^2}\right)^{1/2}-1}{\frac{1}{x}}

When \,x\to 0\, , both numerator and denominator above go to \,\pm \infty , so applying L'Hospital we get:

\lim_{x\to 0}h(x)=\lim_{x\to 0}\frac{-\frac{1}{x^3}\left(1+\frac{1}{x^2}\right)^{-1/2}}{-\frac{1}{x^2}}=\lim_{x\to 0}\frac{1}{x\left(1+\frac{1}{x^2}\right)^{1/2}}=\lim_{x\to 0}\frac{1}{\left(x^2+1\right)^{1/2}}=1

the above being possible if \,x>0\,\,,\,i.e.\,\,\lim_{x\to 0^+}\, . If we take the limit from the left just

multiply by \,-1\, after the 3rd. equality above and proceed then as before. The limit then is \,-1 .

This shows the paper you're reading is wrong as the value approached definitely depends on
whether x is "very small",

positive or negative . It's easy to see that has x becomes larger and larger the expression in the square root

becomes closer to 1.

Doing exactly the same as above in the case \,x\to\infty\, , we get the limit is now zero, but the

thing about "proporcionality" perhaps means that \,|h(x)|\leq\frac{M}{x}\,\,\,,\,\,as\,\,\,x \to \infty\,\,,\,M=\, a constant. Check this.

DonAntonio
 
You can calculate the taylor expansion for h(x) at x=0 and for h(1/x) at 1/x=0 - in both cases, use the limit value where h is not well-defined. If x cannot be negative, this limit exists.Hand-wavy way for small x: (1+z)^(1/2) = 1+z/2+O(z^2) for small z, therefore
h(x) = x \left(\frac{1}{x}(1+x^2)^{1/2}-1\right) = x\left(\frac{1}{x}(1+\frac{x^2}{2}+O(x^4))-1\right)=1-x+\frac{x^2}{2}+O(x^4)
Well, I would not call this "independent of x", the single "-x" does not fit to this.
Another way would be to derive your whole equation. If the limit of the derivative is 0 (it is not, unless I made a mistake), you could call this "independent of x".And small 1/x:
h(x)=x \left(1+\frac{1}{x^2}+O(\frac{1}{x^4})-1\right) = \frac{1}{x} + O(\frac{1}{x^3})
Another way here would be to show that y*x approaches a constant for x->infinity.@DonAntonio: This would be an upper limit, not a proportionality.
 
FrankDrebon said:
y = x\left\{ {\left[ {1 + \left( {{1 \over x}} \right)^2 } \right]^{{1 \over 2}} - 1} \right\}

Isn't that the same as:

f(x) = x \times \sqrt {1 + \left( {{1 \over x}} \right)^2 } - x

which is equal to:

f(x) = \sqrt {x^2 + x^2 \times\left( {{1 \over x^2}} \right) } - x

which is equal to:

f(x) = \sqrt {x^2 + 1 } - x

Which leads us to the conclusions:
\lim_{x\to\infty} \sqrt {x^2 + 1 } - x =0
and
\lim_{x\to 0} \sqrt {x^2 + 1 } - x = 1
 
Matt Benesi said:
Isn't that the same as:

f(x) = x \times \sqrt {1 + \left( {{1 \over x}} \right)^2 } - x

x can be negative so the next line is wrong. Remember \sqrt{x^2} = |x|
 

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