Archimedes and his solution for Pi, what do we have that is better?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the comparison of Archimedes' method of exhaustion for deriving Pi with modern approximations and algorithms. Participants explore the beauty and effectiveness of Archimedes' approach while questioning the value of simply referencing online sources for more efficient methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express admiration for Archimedes' method of exhaustion, describing it as beautiful.
  • Others argue that modern approximations of Pi, as listed on Wikipedia, are superior to Archimedes' method.
  • There is a challenge regarding the effectiveness of simply linking to Wikipedia without providing personal insights or reasoning.
  • One participant highlights the complexity of certain modern identities, such as Ramanujan's, suggesting that they are not easily understood by newcomers.
  • Participants question the purpose of the forum if discussions are reduced to sharing links rather than engaging in deeper analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether modern methods are definitively better than Archimedes' approach. There are competing views regarding the value of linking to external sources versus providing original reasoning.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express frustration with the reliance on quick online searches, indicating a desire for more substantive discussion. The complexity of modern formulas for Pi is noted, but there is no resolution on their comparative effectiveness.

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The title pretty much says it all, what do we have today that is better than Archimedes 'method of exhaustion' (although I would argue it is quite beautiful) for deriving Pi?
 
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mesa said:
Are you suggesting all of those approximations are better than Archimedes?

Obviously, yes.
 
mesa said:
Are you suggesting all of those approximations are better than Archimedes?
micromass said:
Obviously, yes.

A wonderfully surprising answer! Which is best and why?
 
mesa said:
A wonderfully surprising answer! Which is best and why?

Read the wiki page I linked. It covers all that and more.
 
micromass said:
Read the wiki page I linked. It covers all that and more.

I don't see it, explain your reasoning.
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If we all here to just copy and paste wikipedia links then what is the point of PF?
 
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mesa said:
I don't see it, explain your reasoning.

Explain what? That the wiki page covers the most efficient and fastest formulas and algorithms to approximate ##\pi##? Did you even look at the wiki page?
 
micromass said:
Explain what? That the wiki page covers the most efficient and fastest formulas and algorithms to approximate ##\pi##? Did you even look at the wiki page?

No doubt about the power of some of those identities such as Ramanujan's 1/Pi (a personal favorite!) however it is difficult to 'see', even the newbies on PF can agree to that. Providing a simple link to wikipedia and claiming victory is not being scientific.
 
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mesa said:
No doubt about the power of some of those identities such as Ramanujan's 1/Pi (a personal favorite!) however it is difficult to 'see', even the newbies on PF can agree to that. Providing a simple link to wikipedia and claiming victory is not being scientific.

mesa said:
If we all here to just copy and paste wikipedia links then what is the point of PF?

The point of PF is certainly not so you can ask questions that can be googled in 5 seconds.

https://www.physicsforums.com/blog.php?b=3588

I think we're done here.
 
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