Are 3.4 and 0.1 in the same order of magnitude?

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The discussion revolves around whether the numbers 3.4 and 0.1 are in the same order of magnitude. Participants explore the definitions and implications of order of magnitude, including how it relates to decimal places and precision.

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  • Some participants suggest that the definition of order of magnitude can vary, referencing external sources for clarification.
  • There is a question about whether the entire number or just the decimal places determine the order of magnitude.
  • One participant argues that 3.4 and 0.1 are not in the same order of magnitude, stating that 0.1 has a magnitude of -1 and 3.4 has a magnitude of 0.
  • Another participant points out that 3.4 is 34 times larger than 0.1, suggesting this indicates a difference of two orders of magnitude.
  • Concerns are raised about the precision of numbers versus their order of magnitude, with examples provided to illustrate that numbers can have the same order of magnitude but different precision.
  • There is a discussion about the importance of geometric versus arithmetic rounding when determining orders of magnitude.
  • One participant emphasizes the significance of the term "about" in definitions of order of magnitude, suggesting that a ratio smaller than 10 indicates numbers are within the same order of magnitude.

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Participants express differing views on the definition and application of order of magnitude, with no consensus reached on whether 3.4 and 0.1 are in the same order of magnitude.

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Participants reference external definitions and concepts, indicating that the discussion may depend on specific interpretations of order of magnitude and the role of precision.

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are 3.4 and .1 in the same order of magnitude
 
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That depends on how exactly you defined an order of magnitude.
Does http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude" help you?
 
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So, does the entire number make up the order of magnitude or just the decimal places.
 
Just the decimal places? I think 8.5 and 8.47395 are of the same order of magnitude, but the decimal places are respectively 1 and 5...
 
billabuwl50 said:
are 3.4 and .1 in the same order of magnitude
From my understanding after reading the wikipedia article 0.1 is of magnitude -1 while 3.4 has an order of magnitude of 0. To work out the order of magnitude you can write the number in standard form, the power of ten when it is in standard form is the magnitude.

An order of magnitude difference is different though. 3.4 is 34 times as big as 0.1, so it is two orders of magnitude bigger (round log34 to the nearest integer).

This is just my understanding from quickly reading the wikipedia article, so what I've said should be taken with a pich of salt (as should anything from wikipedia).

Edit: Gokul43201 pointed out an error I made. I think it is now correct (though you still shouldn't assume that everything I've said is completely accurate).
 
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billabuwl50 said:
So, does the entire number make up the order of magnitude or just the decimal places.
Order of Magnitude tells you the Scale of a number. Decimal places is about Precision.

[tex]x=2.17\;y=3.38613[/tex]

x and y have the same Order of Magnitude, but y has more Precision.
 
raoulh said:
(round 34 to the nearest power of ten and take the index)
When talking orders of magnitude or anything involving comparisons in terms of factors (ratios being more important than differences), you do not round off arithmetically - you round off numbers geometrically.

Also, what's important with OoMs is the word "about" you find in the mathworld definition - there's fudge factor involved. But if you want to go with a purist definition of an OoM, (which is a silly waste of time, in my opinion) two numbers are within an OoM of each other if the larger ratio of the numbers(b/a, if b>a) is smaller than 10.
 

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