Are asteroids found by the light they reflect?

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The discussion revolves around the methods used to discover asteroids, particularly focusing on the role of reflected sunlight and infrared emissions. Participants explore the implications of an asteroid having zero albedo and the effectiveness of various detection methods, including infrared and visual optical techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that asteroids are discovered primarily by the sunlight they reflect, questioning the detectability of an asteroid that absorbs all sunlight.
  • Another participant agrees that an asteroid with zero albedo would be hard to detect but notes that large objects might still be found through their gravitational effects on nearby visible objects.
  • A participant points out that an asteroid with zero albedo would warm up and emit thermal infrared radiation, raising the question of whether any asteroids have been detected in infrared without being seen in visible light.
  • References to articles indicate that infrared spectrum analysis is used as a secondary tool for gathering information after initial identification of asteroids.
  • Some participants express the belief that asteroids are predominantly found through infrared detection methods, particularly in the context of the WISE mission.
  • Others clarify that there is a mix of detection methods, including visual optical, infrared, and radar techniques.
  • A participant mentions their experience with a project that studies photometric data, contributing to the understanding of asteroid detection.
  • Information from NEOWISE indicates that near-Earth objects absorb most light and re-emit it at infrared wavelengths, allowing for effective study of both dark and light-colored asteroids.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the primary methods for asteroid detection, with some arguing for the predominance of infrared techniques while others highlight the importance of reflected sunlight and a combination of methods. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the effectiveness and hierarchy of these detection methods.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about the visibility of asteroids based on their albedo and the specific conditions under which different detection methods are employed. The effectiveness of infrared detection versus visual methods is not fully resolved.

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My guess is that asteroids are discovered by the sun light they reflect, is this correct? What if, hypothetically, an asteroid absorbed all the sunlight that impacted it, could it still easily be found from other methods?
 
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Answer: yes.

If an asteroid had zero albedo, it would indeed be hard to detect. If it were really large, like a dwarf planet (e.g., Ceres) it might be detectable by the gravitational effect it has on neighboring visible objects.
 
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An asteroid with zero albedo should warm up by sunlight and emit thermal infrared.
Is any asteroid seen in infrared even though not seen in visible?
 
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From the articles - it looks like the infared spectrum is used as a secondary tool, gathering information after identification.. So, it is possible to search for zero albedo objects. It does not appear to be first line now.
 
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I thought asteroids were found almost exclusively through infrared? In WISE, the I stands for infrared.
 
newjerseyrunner said:
I thought asteroids were found almost exclusively through infrared? In WISE, the I stands for infrared.
I thought they were found mostly by looking for reflected sunlight. Hmmm...
 
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newjerseyrunner said:
I thought asteroids were found almost exclusively through infrared? In WISE, the I stands for infrared.

there is a real mix of visual optical, IR, and radar
 
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davenn said:
there is a real mix of visual optical, IR, and radar
True, I should have mentioned that point in post #4. I usually have http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/ running in the background on my computer, It's interesting to see what can be derived from studying the photometric data.
 
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https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/nasas-neowise-mission-spies-one-comet-maybe-two :smile:

Near-Earth objects (NEOs) absorb most of the light that falls on them and re-emit that energy at infrared wavelengths. This enables NEOWISE's infrared detectors to study both dark and light-colored NEOs with nearly equal clarity and sensitivity.

"These are quite dark objects," said NEOWISE team member Joseph Masiero, "Think of new asphalt on streets; these objects would look like charcoal, or in some cases are even darker than that."

NEOWISE data have been used to measure the size of each near-Earth object it observes. Thirty-one asteroids that NEOWISE has discovered pass within about 20 lunar distances from Earth's orbit, and 19 are more than 460 feet (140 meters) in size but reflect less than 10 percent of the sunlight that falls on them.
 
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