Are cosmic rays considered part of the EMS?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on whether cosmic rays are considered part of the electromagnetic spectrum (EMS). Participants explore the definitions and historical context surrounding cosmic rays and their classification, touching on both theoretical and conceptual aspects.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the classification of cosmic rays within the EMS, noting that cosmic rays are energetic nuclei with mass, which leads them to believe they should not be included.
  • Another participant provides a link to a Wikipedia article on cosmic rays, suggesting it may offer helpful information.
  • A participant discusses the historical context, explaining that cosmic rays were once thought to include high-energy gamma rays, which are part of the EMS, but that this distinction has become clearer over time.
  • It is suggested that some diagrams may still reflect outdated views or confusion regarding the classification of cosmic rays and high-energy gamma rays.
  • One participant posits that high-energy gamma rays are primarily sourced from cosmic rays and mentions the difficulty in distinguishing between gamma rays and particle cosmic rays in detectors, noting that the proportion of cosmic rays that are photons is uncertain, especially at high energies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether cosmic rays should be classified as part of the EMS, with some supporting the idea and others contesting it. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of cosmic rays and the EMS, as well as the historical context that may influence current understanding. The uncertainty surrounding the percentage of cosmic rays that are photons adds to the complexity of the topic.

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Are cosmic rays part of the EMS (Electromagnetic spectrum)? I have seen duagrams showing that cosmic rays are part of the EMS and I have heard conflicting reports that cosmic rays are not part of the EMS. I know cosmic rays are energetic nuclei and have mass so I tend to believe that they are not part of the EMS but some scientist seem to inlude them on EMS diagrams. Thanks RAD
 
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Historically, before CRs were particularly well understood, gammas (part of the "EMS") which came from outside the atmosphere were lumped into 'cosmic rays'.

It's been quite a while (50 years? more?) since the distinction between cosmic rays (the particles) and high-energy gammas became clear-cut.

If you see some diagrams with "cosmic rays" way down at the high energy end of the electromagnetic spectrum, I think you're seeing an echo of those earlier days.

Alternatively, you may be seeing a confusion, or a too-drastic editing. The universe is pervaded by EM, with energies ranging from the plasma frequency cutoff (up in the long-wavelength radio part) to TeV gammas (and beyond? that's an active area of research). At the high energy end, the gammas can have energies that are comparable to energies of cosmic rays, so perhaps an editor added 2 and 2 and got 5?
 
I think the only known source of really high energy gammas is cosmic rays.I also think it is fairly hard to tell the difference between a "gamma or photon cosmic ray" and a "particle cosmic ray" in a cosmic ray detector, because they both initiate extensive air showers.
I believe the percentage of cosmic rays that are photons is still somewhat uncertain, particularly at the highest energies, but they are thought to be the minority .i. e. only about one in a thousand. Google "cosmic ray photons" for some good refs.

Jim
 

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