Are fundermental particles failed universes?

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The discussion explores the idea of fundamental particles as "failed universes," drawing connections between black holes, string theory, and the dimensionality of particles. It touches on theoretical concepts and the portrayal of science in media, particularly in relation to physics and cosmology.

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  • One participant suggests that fundamental particles like quarks and leptons could be considered as universes that did not develop into larger dimensions, proposing a speculative connection to string theory.
  • Another participant counters this idea, asserting that current scientific understanding does not support such a notion and criticizes the educational value of popular science media.
  • There is a shared sentiment among some participants that popular science programs often misrepresent scientific concepts and should not be relied upon for accurate information.
  • Concerns are raised about the commercialization of science media, suggesting that entertainment value often overshadows educational content.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of the initial hypothesis about particles as failed universes. While some criticize the media's portrayal of science, others defend the speculative idea, leading to a lack of consensus on the topic.

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Participants highlight limitations in the portrayal of scientific concepts in media, suggesting that misconceptions may arise from entertainment-focused narratives rather than educational content.

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I was watching a couple of episodes of through the wormhole and it was going on about how black holes can behave like giant particles. also about string theory and how particles are strings that have 11 dimensions. So one can supose that the universe is a string/particle where three of its deminsions became huge. So my question is could it be possible that all quarqs, leptons and messeons are universes that didnt form gigantic dimensions. could they be failed universes?
 
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to our current understanding nothing suggests that, in fact these tv shows are not for education rather misleading because they focus on presenting things that sound "cool" just like modern day singers and rappers write lyrics that just sound "cool" rather than with some meaning behind them.

I would suggest reading up on basic physics and understanding it , atleast the part of physics that has been proven and verified throughout the years and then you will be better of not only understanding but dealing with the misconceptions and some false ideas.
 
brianhurren said:
I was watching a couple of episodes of through the wormhole and it was going on about how black holes can behave like giant particles. also about string theory and how particles are strings that have 11 dimensions. So one can supose that the universe is a string/particle where three of its deminsions became huge. So my question is could it be possible that all quarqs, leptons and messeons are universes that didnt form gigantic dimensions. could they be failed universes?

Crazymechanic is not crazy on this one. Those programs are regularly and severely denigrated on this forum as being full of absolute crap. They are for entertainment, not education. You should NOT expect to learn any science from them, just get misinformed.
 
phinds said:
... Those programs are regularly and severely denigrated on this forum as being full of absolute crap. They are for entertainment, not education. You should NOT expect to learn any science from them, just get misinformed.

Aint that the truth!

over and over again I have been disappointed by the quality ( or lack thereof) of many of these recent science prog's on astronomy etc.
So often I just sit there listening to what is being said and saing to myself ..." that is just plain wrong!"

Dave
 
Well media even the internet is business these days , in business all means are good as long as they get you the desired income... $$$

A quote from V.I.Lenin comes to mind when he said that ordinary people don't need nothing more than cinema and circus.I guess that just how the major channels treat basic public these days.But when you add cool looking imagines and computer graphics to the messed up narrative it looks all nice and shiny.
To the majority vision is key.
 
And I think that is a good place to end this topic.
 

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