Are Intersections of Sylow p-Groups Always Trivial?

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The discussion centers on the intersections of Sylow p-groups, specifically whether these intersections are always trivial (i.e., only containing the identity element) under certain conditions. Participants explore the implications of group order and subgroup properties, as well as seek examples to illustrate their points.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if there are multiple Sylow p-subgroups of order p, their intersection is trivial, while if there are multiple Sylow p-subgroups of order pk (with k > 0), their intersection may not be trivial.
  • One participant emphasizes that the intersection of two subgroups is itself a subgroup and must divide the order of the group, suggesting that it cannot be larger than the orders of the intersecting p-subgroups.
  • A participant provides an example using the dihedral group D6, claiming that two Sylow 2-subgroups have a non-trivial intersection, specifically {1, r3}.
  • Another participant acknowledges a mistake regarding the intersection of Sylow p-groups, noting that it must divide the order of each Sylow p-group.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of intersections of Sylow p-groups, with some supporting the idea of trivial intersections for certain orders and others providing counterexamples. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the generality of these claims.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings about subgroup orders and the specific conditions under which intersections are considered trivial or non-trivial. The example provided may not universally apply to all Sylow p-groups.

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I want to understand this

If there exists more than one Sylow-p-subgroup of order p then for all these subgrps, their intersection is {e} the identity.

However if If there exists more than one Sylow-p-subgroup of order pk s.t. k>0, then their intersection is not necessarily the identity element.

Is this correct? Can someone provide a quick explanation and proof please?

Does it have to do with homomorphisms to permutation groups?
 
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the intersection of two subgroups is a subgroup of both. do you know the relation between the order of a group and the order of its subgroups?
 
mathwonk said:
the intersection of two subgroups is a subgroup of both. do you know the relation between the order of a group and the order of its subgroups?

the order of the intersection grp must divide order of G, but it cannot be equal or larger than the order of the other intersecting p-subgroups .
 
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Bachelier said:
I want to understand this

If there exists more than one Sylow-p-subgroup of order p then for all these subgrps, their intersection is {e} the identity.

However if If there exists more than one Sylow-p-subgroup of order pk s.t. k>0, then their intersection is not necessarily the identity element.

Is this correct? Can someone provide a quick explanation and proof please?

Does it have to do with homomorphisms to permutation groups?

let's find an example of this, and then it will certainly show it is true, right?

so consider the dihedral group D6, of order 12. a sylow 2-subgroup of D6, would be of order 4. let's see if we can find 2 with non-trivial intersection.

let H = {1,r3, s, r3s}. since r3 is in the center, r3 and s commute, so this defines an abelian subgroup of order 4. now we need to find another one.

let K = {1,r3, rs, r4s}. to prove this is a group, we only need to show that r3 and rs commute.

r3(rs) = r4s (d'oh!)
(rs)r3 = (sr5)r3 = sr2 = r4s

(since srk = (rk)-1s).

note that H∩K = {1,r3}, which is non-trivial.

(the first half of your statement is obvious, any two groups of prime order must either conincide or intersect trivially, since the intersection would be a subgroup of both groups).
 
Bachelier said:
the order of the intersection grp must divide order of G, but it cannot be equal or larger than the order of the other intersecting p-subgroups .

Deveno, I haven't read your answer yet, but I was reviewing the Sylow chapter and recognized I made a mistake last night. The intersection must be a subgroup of each sylow p-group hence must divide the order of each sylow-p group. (i.e. pk)
 

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