Are logarithms only non-negative?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of logarithms, specifically whether they are only defined for non-negative values. Participants explore the definitions and implications of logarithms in different contexts, including high school mathematics and complex number theory.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that logarithms exist only when x >= 0, questioning the case of log-3 -27.
  • Another participant asserts that logarithms can be defined for all nonzero real numbers, but this requires complex number theory, which may not be suitable for high school education.
  • Some participants reference a book stating that all logarithms and bases are non-negative, indicating a common understanding in high school contexts.
  • There is a suggestion to accept the non-negativity of bases as a given for introductory learning, with the possibility of exploring more general theories later.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition of logarithms, with some agreeing on the non-negativity of bases in high school contexts while others propose broader definitions that include non-positive values through complex numbers. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the general applicability of logarithmic definitions.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of clarity on the assumptions regarding the definitions of logarithms, particularly in relation to complex numbers and their relevance to high school mathematics. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with the topic among participants.

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I read that logb x exists only when x >= 0

what about log-3 -27 though?

The answer should be the exponent 3, right?

Thanks!
 
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You can define the logarithm for all nonzero real numbers. But this requires complex number theory. So it's not suitable for high school.
 
micromass said:
You can define the logarithm for all nonzero real numbers. But this requires complex number theory. So it's not suitable for high school.

Thanks, I read the above though in the book Pre-Calculus for Dummies. It said all logarithms and bases were non-negative. I'm not that good on trigonometry or pre-calc.
 
mileena said:
Thanks, I read the above though in the book Pre-Calculus for Dummies. It said all logarithms and bases were non-negative. I'm not that good on trigonometry or pre-calc.

Yeah. So for now just take it as given that the bases are nonnegative. You might see the more general theory later.
 
Thank you. I will take your advice. Any less work for me is a good thing!
 

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