How reliable are logarithm tables?

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The discussion revolves around the reliability of logarithm tables, specifically addressing discrepancies between values found in a high school math book and those calculated using a calculator. Participants explore the implications of these discrepancies and the notation used in logarithm tables.

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  • One participant notes a significant discrepancy between the logarithm value given in a math book and the value calculated using a calculator, questioning the reliability of the logarithm tables.
  • Another participant points out that the error is peculiar and asks if other logarithm values in the table are similarly incorrect.
  • A further participant identifies another logarithm value from the book that also appears incorrect, leading to additional confusion regarding the calculations presented in the book.
  • One participant explains the 'bar' notation used in the book, suggesting that it represents the number of decade shifts plus the logarithm of a number in the range of 1 to 10.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the notation, questioning its purpose and clarity for readers.
  • One participant defends the use of bar notation, arguing that it reduces the number of logarithm values needed in tables and minimizes order of magnitude errors in calculations.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the accuracy of the logarithm values in the book, with some suggesting that the bar notation is confusing while others argue for its utility. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the reliability of the logarithm tables and the effectiveness of the notation.

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There are unresolved questions about the accuracy of specific logarithm values and the implications of the bar notation, which may depend on the definitions and conventions used in different contexts.

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Today I came across a high school math book which has a particular problem in the logarithms chapter. It has
$$ \log_{10}{0.2913} = -1.4643 $$
Trying to verify it with a calculator, I get -0.53566. There's a log table attached at the end which agrees with the calculation made in the book. To make sure there wasn't a typo, I looked up online for the common logarithm table and found tables that agree with it. Trying to verify the book's calculation, I got (with a calculator)
$$ 10^{-1.4643} = 0.034332 $$
Now am I missing something or is it something wrong with the logarithm tables I have? Admittedly, it has been a very long time since I last calculated logarithms using a table.
 
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That is a very odd error, as it is off by nearly (but not exactly) 1. Are the logarithm values next to it wrong in a similar way?
Does your logarithm table really have exactly this entry?
 
It is off for the next value in the same problem too. It calculates $$ \log_{10}{0.004236} $$ as -3.6269 while with a calculator I get -2.373044.
Even weirder is that it proceeds to add the two logarithms (which it calculated as -1.4643 and -3.6269) to get -3.0912. Then it proceeds to take the anti-log of -3.0912 and gets 0.001234 (while with a calculator I get $$ 10^{-3.0912} = 0.0008106 $$). At this point I stopped taking the book seriously but thought I'd make sure whether it's a problem with me or the book before I explain it to my friend. o0)
 
It's written in what we called 'bar' notation in school .

Roughly : number of decade shifts + basic log of number in range 1 to 10

0.4643 is the log of 2.913

log of 0.2913 = -1 + 0.4643 = - 0.5357

You can see why this works :

log 0.2913 = log 2.913 - log 10
 
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Nidum said:
It's written in what we called 'bar' notation in school .

Roughly : number of decade shifts + basic log of number in range 1 to 10

0.4643 is the log of 2.913

log of 0.2913 = -1 + 0.4643 = - 0.5357

You can see why this works :

log 0.2913 = log 2.913 - log 10
Oh. So the bar isn't actually a negative? Why would they decide to write it this way? o_O
 
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Are there cases where the bar notation is useful other than confusing poor unsuspecting readers?
 
It greatly reduces the number of log values that are needed in tables . All you need are logs for numbers in range 1 to 10 .

There are also some small advantages in making calculations more systematic and in reducing chance of order of magnitude errors in final answers .
 
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Conventionally written down like this :
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