Logarithmic Function: Can Domain of Logarithm be R?

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The discussion centers on the domain and range of logarithmic functions, exploring whether the domain can be all real numbers (ℝ) and the implications of different forms of logarithmic expressions. Participants also touch on properties such as asymptotes and one-to-one functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the domain of logarithmic functions can include all real numbers, particularly in the case of expressions like log(x²).
  • Others argue that the domain of the standard logarithmic function is restricted to positive values (x > 0), as logarithms are undefined for non-positive inputs.
  • A participant mentions that log(x²) is equivalent to 2*log(x), which raises questions about the applicability of logarithmic properties based on the sign of x.
  • There is a suggestion that the function log(x² + 9) has a domain of ℝ since x² + 9 is always positive for all real x.
  • Some participants question whether logarithmic functions always have asymptotes, with one noting that the specific function discussed does not have an asymptote.
  • There is a recurring inquiry about the range of logarithmic functions and whether it can extend beyond ℝ.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the domain of logarithmic functions, with some asserting it can be ℝ while others maintain it is limited to positive values. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the range and properties of logarithmic functions.

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Participants reference properties of logarithmic functions that depend on the sign of x, indicating that assumptions about the domain may vary based on the specific logarithmic expression being considered.

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Readers interested in the properties of logarithmic functions, mathematical reasoning, and the implications of different logarithmic forms may find this discussion relevant.

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can domain of logarithm function be R .
i think it can and the same time it can't
it can like log(x2)
but at the same time i think all the logarithm function should be one to one function
 
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and what about the range of logarithmic function can it be other than R
 
Here's the wikipedia discussion on logarithms with a chart of the function:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logarithm

from it you can see that 0 is not a member and that its true for all ##x>0## ie there are no negative values for x.

Also ##log(x^2)## is equivalent to ##2*log(x)## which gets you back to understanding the domain and range of ##log(x)##
 
OK how about log(x2+9)
 
does logarithmic always have asymptotes
 
i know about logarithmic function but i want to increase my knowledge .
 
jedishrfu said:
Here's the wikipedia discussion on logarithms with a chart of the function:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logarithm

from it you can see that 0 is not a member and that its true for all ##x>0## ie there are no negative values for x.

Also ##log(x^2)## is equivalent to ##2*log(x)##
No, not true. The domain of ##\log(x^2)## includes the negative reals as well as the positive reals.
If n is an odd integer, the property ##\log(x^n) = n\log(x)## is applicable only for x > 0. If n is an even integer, then the only restriction on (real) x is that ##x \ne 0##.

jedishrfu said:
which gets you back to understanding the domain and range of ##log(x)##
 
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rashida564 said:
OK how about log(x2+9)
Since ##x^2 + 9## > 0 for all real x, the domain of this function is ##\mathbb{R}##.

rashida564 said:
does logarithmic always have asymptotes
The function above doesn't have an asymptote.
 
rashida564 said:
but at the same time i think all the logarithm function should be one to one function

rashida564 said:
and what about the range of logarithmic function can it be other than R
Based on my other replies, what do you think?
 
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Mark44 said:
No, not true. The domain of ##\log(x^2)## includes the negative reals as well as the positive reals.
The property ##\log(x^n) = n\log(x)## is applicable only for x > 0.

Yes, you are right.
 
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Mark44 said:
Since ##x^2 + 9## > 0 for all real x, the domain of this function is ##\mathbb{R}##.
For clarification: The maximal (real) domain is ##\mathbb{R}##. You can define the function on all real numbers, but you don't have to.
 
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so it can be ℝ
 

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