Are most notable inventions derivative of military purpose?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the question of whether most notable inventions are derived from military purposes. Participants explore various perspectives on the relationship between military funding and technological advancements, as well as the broader implications of necessity in invention.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that while military funding has played a significant role in certain technological developments, particularly in the space program, it is not accurate to claim that most inventions are military-derived.
  • Others suggest that many inventions arise from a perceived necessity rather than military influence, emphasizing the role of civilian needs in driving innovation.
  • A participant mentions that military technology often adopts civilian advancements, indicating a trend towards integrating civilian technology into military applications.
  • There are humorous and speculative contributions regarding the motivations behind inventions, such as the role of sex and other social factors, which some participants find to be a breakdown of the military-centric view.
  • One participant references the historical context of margarine's invention as a military necessity, suggesting that some inventions do have military origins.
  • A later reply discusses the potential dual-use nature of emerging technologies, such as robotic exoskeletons, which could serve both military and civilian purposes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether most notable inventions are derived from military purposes. Multiple competing views remain, with some emphasizing military influence and others advocating for the importance of civilian necessity.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the definitions of "notable inventions" and "military purpose," which are not fully resolved. The contributions reflect a mix of serious inquiry and humor, indicating a diverse range of perspectives on the topic.

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I keep hearing about most of our notable inventions being derivative of military purpose. I tried searching for more information to see if this was actually true, but couldn't find anything substantive. So is it true?
 
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LightbulbSun said:
I keep hearing about most of our notable inventions being derivative of military purpose. I tried searching for more information to see if this was actually true, but couldn't find anything substantive. So is it true?

I don't think most of our notable inventions are for military purposes over all, but they do subsidize a lot of technology, especially within certain niches. The space program would be one example where it might be true most developments were paid for by the military. Until recently, just about all of our launch vehicles have been modified ICBMs. Until very recently, the most sophisticated satellites have been military satellites. Only in the last decade or so has the civilian space industry been lucrative enough for much of an effort for a purely civilian technology.

A lot of military technology was driven by the cold war and I'd say that while there's still a huge market for purely military technology, there's a trend towards adopting civilian technology to military uses, which is probably the norm if you exclude the cold war era.
 
I thought they were all about sex;
language - ask for sex.
Fire - keep warm while having sex.
Weapons - kill wild animals that interrupt you while having sex.

Of course the anaology breaks down with modern inventions like the internet ...
 
mgb_phys said:
Of course the anaology breaks down with modern inventions like the internet ...

Haven't spent much time in chatrooms, have you? :biggrin:
 
Moonbear said:
Haven't spent much time in chatrooms, have you? :biggrin:
Aww...you killed it, moonbie!
 
mgb_phys said:
I thought they were all about sex;
language - ask for sex.
Fire - keep warm while having sex.
Weapons - kill wild animals that interrupt you while having sex.

Of course the anaology breaks down with modern inventions like the internet ...
How about Liquid Paper?
 
zoobyshoe said:
How about Liquid Paper?

Female secretary says to male chemist, "Why don't you come over to my kitchen and help me cook something up?" Hmm...
 
zoobyshoe said:
How about Liquid Paper?
You don't know? - You have led a sheltered life :biggrin:
 
mgb_phys said:
I thought they were all about sex;
language - ask for sex.
Fire - keep warm while having sex.
Weapons - kill wild animals that interrupt you while having sex.

Of course the anaology breaks down with modern inventions like the internet ...

I read that 80% of the internet traffic is porn so maybe not...
 
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Margarine!

In 1869 Emperor Louis Napoleon III of France offered a prize to anyone who could make a satisfactory substitute for butter, suitable for use by the armed forces and the lower classes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margarine#History
 
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wildman said:
I read that 80% of the internet traffic is porn so maybe not...
Do we have an icon for the wooshing sound a comment makes as it goes over a poster's head?
 
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mgb_phys said:
You don't know? - You have led a sheltered life :biggrin:
Yes, but now I'm intrigued. Liquid paper...hmmmmm...
 
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LightbulbSun said:
I keep hearing about most of our notable inventions being derivative of military purpose. I tried searching for more information to see if this was actually true, but couldn't find anything substantive. So is it true?


ummm i would say that most of our notable inventions are the result of a perceived necessity.
 
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slugcountry said:
ummm i would say that most of our notable inventions are the result of a perceived necessity.
That's catchy.
 
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I read that 80% of the internet traffic is porn so maybe not
That was probably because it requiring so much picture and video, making an off-ratio on bandwidth spent on nonpornographic graphic and video vs. pornographic graphics and video, which there used to be much less of. But now, every website is graphics-intensive and no body is afraid to add extra or video, so I wouldn't be surprised if nonporn trumps porn as for bandwidth.
ummm i would say that most of our notable inventions are the result of a perceived necessity.
zoobyshoe said:
That's catchy.
You know what they say, Mother is the necessity of invention.
 
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Astronuc said:
Interestingly, a colleague sent me a CNN video link on a technological development that could be useful as a military tool or it could be useful for a variety of manual jobs.

Solider of the future
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/tech/2007/11/27/yeates.ut.robo.soldier.ksl

I'd prefer the application to peaceful uses.

It could also be pretty useful for some disabilities (http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20070418f3.html ).

The Japanese domestic market for robotic exoskeletons is predicted to soar to over $8 billion a year by 2025 when many of the baby boomers hit their 80's. I imagine there will be a huge market in the US, as well. (Just think, quite a few of us could be using these things.)

It's hard to invest in something that doesn't pay off immediately (which is why developing exoskeletons for soldiers will probably lead the way) but awful hard not to invest when there's such a huge payoff somewhere down the road.

Limited exoskeletons (say for an ankle) have had some success, as well. As long as a signal is coming down the nervous system, the exoskeletons seem to work pretty well.

Help for people like http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39133 might take a little longer - not because it couldn't be done, but because the user has to learn an entirely new brain process for controlling their movements. Coordination is a lot better if the user moves the exoskeleton exactly the same way they move their own arm or leg.
 
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