Are My REDOX Half Reactions and Net Ionic Equations Correct?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the correctness of REDOX half reactions and net ionic equations related to a reaction involving HCl, KMnO4, and NaHSO3. Participants explore the balancing of half reactions, the role of H+ and H2O in the equations, and the overall molecular equation for the reaction.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents half reactions for the oxidation of HSO3- to HSO4- and the reduction of MnO4- to MnO2, questioning the role of HCl and the balancing of the equations.
  • Another participant points out that the half reactions are not balanced and questions the source of the MnO42- and MnO22- species.
  • A later reply suggests a different form for the reduction half reaction, including H+ and H2O, and emphasizes that balancing should occur before addressing other questions.
  • Another participant acknowledges errors in their understanding and presents corrected half reactions for HSO3- and MnO4-.
  • Participants discuss the overall balanced equation, with one expressing uncertainty about the complete molecular equation and the role of chlorine in the reaction.
  • Another participant provides a proposed molecular reaction, noting that it appears artificial but maintains the main components of the half reactions.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the assistance received and mentions correcting a typo in their previous post.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the initial half reactions, as there are multiple corrections and suggestions made throughout the discussion. The balancing of the equations remains a point of contention.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the species involved, the dependence on correct balancing of half reactions, and the unresolved nature of the molecular equation.

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Just need some clarification as to whether or not I'm doing this right. 1 drop HCl and several drops KMnO4 added to 2mL NaHSO3.

HSO3- → HSO4- + 2e-
MnO42- + 4e- → MnO22-
2HSO3-(aq) + MnO42-(aq) → 2HSO4-(aq) + MnO22-(aq)

A few questions:
-Since NaHSO3 is not an acid, the hydrogen atom would not be removed in the half reaction, correct?
-Are H+ and H2O part of the half reaction or are they only included as a step to help in creating/balancing the equation(s)?
-Should I have done something with the HCl? There were 4 H+ ions on each side of the reaction, which would cancel out and result in no reaction with the HCl.
-If there is no reaction with the HCl, why did I have to add it to the solution?
 
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djh101 said:
HSO3- → HSO4- + 2e-

Not balanced.

MnO42- + 4e- → MnO22-

Where did you get MnO42- and MnO22- from?

Your questions have to wait till the reaction equation is balanced. As for now - half reactions must be correctly balanced in charge and atoms, so far they are not.
 
In the reaction it is stated that MnO4 is oxidized to MnO2.
Would MnO42- + 4H+ + 4e- → MnO22- + 2H2O be correct (and hydrogens and waters don't get canceled until doing the net ionic)?
 
djh101 said:
In the reaction it is stated that MnO4 is oxidized to MnO2.
Would MnO42- + 4H+ + 4e- → MnO22- + 2H2O be correct (and hydrogens and waters don't get canceled until doing the net ionic)?

Check charges (-2 is incorrect in both cases), and it is not oxidation, but reduction.
 
Wow, so very many errors I found after starting to really understand what I'm doing. I fixed it, thanks for your help.

HSO3- + H2O → SO42- + 3H+ + 2e-
MnO4- + 8H+ + 5e- → Mn2+ + 4H2O
 
Half reactions are OK, now balance overall. We will see what is left of your original questions.
 
5HSO3-(aq) + 2MnO4-(aq) + H+(aq) → 5SO42-(aq) + 2Mn2+(aq) + 3H2O(l)
5NaHSO3(aq) + 2KMnO4(aq) + HCl(aq) → 5NaSO4(aq) + + 3H2O(l)

Not sure about the complete molecular equation, although it isn't actually required. Chlorine seems to be the only anion and there's not enough of that to bond with the potassium and manganese...
 
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Still some typos, but you are almost there.

Molecular reaction is a difficult one, but doable:

5NaHSO3 + 2KMnO4 + HCl -> 2Na2SO4 + K2SO4 + 2MnSO4 + 3H2O + NaCl

I admit it looks artificial. Note that the main part (5HSO3- and 2MnO4-) is identical.
 
Interesting. I probably would have never figured that out, and I'm glad I didn't have to (but this is only Chem 101 stuff). Thanks for your help. And I fixed the typo, I had a 2 instead of a -.
 

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