Are My Superposition Circuit Equations Correct?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around analyzing a circuit using superposition to find the output voltage (v0) and current (i0). Participants are exploring the application of Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) and Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) in the context of circuit analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the setup of equations using mesh current analysis and question the correctness of their approaches. There are attempts to clarify the roles of different components in the circuit and how to apply the superposition method correctly. Some participants express confusion about whether to short or open sources in the analysis.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of the superposition method and the importance of correctly defining currents in the circuit. Multiple interpretations of the setup and method are being explored.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the application of the superposition method, particularly about closing and opening sources. Participants are also grappling with the implications of their circuit drawings and the definitions of currents in their equations.

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Homework Statement


Find v0 and i0
[PLAIN]http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2051/superquestion.jpg

Homework Equations


KVL and KCL

The Attempt at a Solution


I removed the voltage source and redrew the circuit with a short on the bottom left. I then used mesh current analysis with KVL and made a system of equations. My problem is that all of my current (i0, i1, i2, i3) come out to 0 which is definitely wrong.

Am I approaching this problem correctly and setting up my equations right?

my work:
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4779/superosition.jpg
 
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Looks like your on the right track! :)
 
With the 180 V source shorted, call the current through the 60 ohm resistor i1 (upward). Then the sum of the voltages around the loop on the lower left is 60i1 + 30(i1 + 7.5) = 0. This yields i1 = -2.5A straightaway. You can actually see that without the equations - clearly 2/3 of the current will go through the 30 ohm resistor and 1/3 through the 60. Looks like you forgot to use the 7.5 amps in that loop, and in the others. Very tough to find i0 . . .
 
To solve the circuit by super position method, you should not close the voltage source and open the current source. Keep them as it is and apply KVL and XCL.
 
Delphi51 said:
With the 180 V source shorted, call the current through the 60 ohm resistor i1 (upward). Then the sum of the voltages around the loop on the lower left is 60i1 + 30(i1 + 7.5) = 0. This yields i1 = -2.5A straightaway. You can actually see that without the equations - clearly 2/3 of the current will go through the 30 ohm resistor and 1/3 through the 60. Looks like you forgot to use the 7.5 amps in that loop, and in the others. Very tough to find i0 . . .

I'm having a hard time understanding this, is my circuit drawing correct? Because isn't the 60 not just i1?, isn't it 60(i1-i0)?
 
rl.bhat said:
To solve the circuit by super position method, you should not close the voltage source and open the current source. Keep them as it is and apply KVL and XCL.

Isn't that what the superposition method is though? Closing independent sources and solving circuits with only one source at a time.

So don't I need two separate circuits with only a current source or a voltage source?
 
gomezfx said:
Isn't that what the superposition method is though? Closing independent sources and solving circuits with only one source at a time.

So don't I need two separate circuits with only a current source or a voltage source?

Not necessarily. Superposition method involves asigning a current in each loop and applying KVL.
 
rl.bhat said:
Not necessarily. Superposition method involves asigning a current in each loop and applying KVL.

So I should just try solving the circuit as given originally?
 
You have to be extremely careful about defining i1. I defined it as the current through the 60 ohm resistor because I thought your i1 loop on the diagram was ambiguous.

There is an example of the superposition method here:
http://circuits.solved-problems.com/936/superposition-problem-voltage-current-sources/#more-936

Here is an article on doing it without superposition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesh_analysis
I'm sure rl.bhat knows a great deal more about this than I do!
 
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