Are Natural and Supernatural Mutually Exclusive?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the relationship between natural and supernatural phenomena, particularly in the context of intelligent design (ID). Participants explore whether these concepts are mutually exclusive and seek resources for further reading on the topic.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that natural and supernatural are, by definition, mutually exclusive, citing definitions of the terms.
  • Others propose that the supernatural could be viewed as encompassing or superior to the natural, suggesting that nature might be a subset of the supernatural.
  • One participant describes "supernatural" as events that exceed human imagination or predictability, using the example of a brain-dead patient recovering as a supernatural occurrence.
  • Several participants recommend books that discuss these themes, including 'The Master Game' by de Ropp and 'The God Delusion' by Richard Dawkins.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether natural and supernatural are mutually exclusive, with no consensus reached on this issue.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference definitions and etymology of terms without resolving the implications of these definitions on the relationship between natural and supernatural. The discussion includes subjective interpretations of what constitutes supernatural events.

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Hello
I was talking with someone bout natural vs supernatural when it relates to something such as ID and one thing that seems to be a hurdle is , are they mutually exclusive or not?
Is there a book or website that does a good job discussing it?
 
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raven1 said:
Hello
I was talking with someone bout natural vs supernatural when it relates to something such as ID and one thing that seems to be a hurdle is , are they mutually exclusive or not?
Is there a book or website that does a good job discussing it?

supernatural –adjective 1. of, pertaining to, or being above or beyond what is natural; unexplainable by natural law or phenomena; abnormal.
So, natural and supernatural are, by definition, mutually exclusive.
 
CEL said:
So, natural and supernatural are, by definition, mutually exclusive.

Supernatural composed of Super and natural, if we think super as excellent
Then it sounds somewhat like excellent nature,Therefore I would like to tell nature is the subset of the Supernatural
 
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coverme said:
Supernatural composed of Super and natural, if we think super as excellent
Then it sounds somewhat like excellent nature,Therefore I would like to tell nature is the subset of the Supernatural

Super is the latin prefix meaning "above," and it's use in super natural literally translates to "that which is above natural," in other words..that which is not natural. The English use of the word "super" as being synonymous with "excellent" evolved from the same Latin root but now has a different meaning.
 
junglebeast said:
Super is the latin prefix meaning "above," and it's use in super natural literally translates to "that which is above natural," in other words..that which is not natural. The English use of the word "super" as being synonymous with "excellent" evolved from the same Latin root but now has a different meaning.

A similar phenomenon exists for the greek prefix meta, meaning beyond. Metaphysics means beyond physics and is almost synonimous of supernatural.
 
'The Master Game' by de Ropp is one of my favorites. He gives an engaging and reasonable discussion of the isssues. I also like 'Exploring the Crack in the Cosmic Egg' by Pearce.
 
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I think "supernatural" means some thing that occurs out of the predictable magnitude of the human's imagination.
We generalize and predict what could happen or what suppose to happen, i.e. the brain-dead patient should never go out of his coma; nonetheless, it would be supernatural that one would recover from a diagnosed brain-dead status.
 
raven1 said:
Hello
I was talking with someone bout natural vs supernatural when it relates to something such as ID and one thing that seems to be a hurdle is , are they mutually exclusive or not?
Is there a book or website that does a good job discussing it?


Yes, there is; it's a brilliant book by Richard Dawkins called The God Delusion. Pick it up!
 

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