Are not the IR and UV divergences the same (mathematically)

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The discussion centers on the mathematical and physical distinctions between infrared (IR) and ultraviolet (UV) divergences in quantum field theory. Participants explore whether these divergences can be treated similarly from a mathematical perspective and the implications of such treatment for theoretical consistency.

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  • One participant questions the necessity of distinguishing between IR and UV divergences, suggesting that both types of integrals exhibit the same rate of divergence under certain transformations.
  • Another participant argues that IR and UV divergences have fundamentally different physical implications, warning against the potential errors that can arise from conflating them.
  • A participant notes that dimensional regularization does not differentiate between IR and UV divergences, raising questions about the treatment of counterterms in this context.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the application of dimensional regularization, particularly regarding the need for different dimensional continuations for regulating IR and UV divergences.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mathematical treatment of IR and UV divergences, with some advocating for their similarity and others emphasizing their distinct physical meanings. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these divergences.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of applying dimensional regularization, noting the need for different dimensional continuations for IR and UV divergences, which remains a point of confusion.

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question is why speak about IR (short momentum) and UV (short distances) divergences ?

in fact if we define \epsilon = 1/\Lambda

then both integrals

\int_{\epsilon}^{\infty}x^{-k}dx and the \int_{0}^{\Lambda}x^{k-2}dx

have the same rate of divergence \Lambda ^{k-1} as the regulator 'Lambda' goes to infinity. (simply make a change of variable x=1/t )

then if mathematically is the same to get rid off an UV or an IR divergence , and with a simple change of variable you can turn an IR divergence into an UV one then why make distinction (the logarithmic case is just another question)
 
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they have VERY different physical meanings, and tell you much about whether or not your theory makes any sense. You should not mix them up!

Many errors in the literature have come up by people blindly canceling IR divergences with counterterms, and thus getting absolute nonsense!
 
But when using Dimensional regularization or analytic regularization, you do not make distinction between IR or UV don't you ??

By the way i have some problems understanding what ' counterterms' are and how they work

are you andrew Blechmann the one who wrote 'renormalization our great misunderstood friend' ?? .. i liked this paper much.
 
This is also a thing I didn't understand well.
You use dim reg both for UV and IR divergences, but to regulate the first you need to continuate analytically in d < 4 dimensions, while to regulate the others you need d > 4, in the same time! Or not? how do you deal with this?
 

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