Why Are IR and UV Divergences the Same?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of infrared (IR) and ultraviolet (UV) divergences in integrals, exploring whether they can be considered the same from a mathematical perspective despite their distinct physical interpretations. The scope includes theoretical and conceptual aspects of divergences in physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the distinction between IR and UV divergences, suggesting that a change of variables can transform an IR divergent integral into a UV divergent one.
  • Another participant asserts that IR divergences arise from low momentum or energy, while UV divergences arise from high momentum or energy, emphasizing their physical differences.
  • A participant argues from a mathematical standpoint that both types of divergences could be seen as the same due to the ability to define a function that relates them through a cut-off.
  • It is noted that the physical variables involved in the integrals differ, which contributes to the distinction between the two types of divergences.
  • Another participant reinforces that physicists use these terms with specific meanings, highlighting the importance of the context in which divergences occur.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the equivalence of IR and UV divergences, with some arguing for their mathematical similarity while others maintain that their physical contexts are fundamentally different.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of defining divergences and the role of physical interpretation versus mathematical formulation, with unresolved nuances regarding the implications of changing variables in integrals.

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perhaps is a dumb quetion but,

given a IR divergent integral (diverges whenever x tends to 0)

\int_{0}^{\infty} \frac{dx}{x^{3}}

then using a simple change of variables x=1/u the IR integral becomes an UV divergent integral


\int_{0}^{\infty} udu which is an UV divergent integral (it diverges whenever x tends to infinity)

then why we call IR or UV divergences if they are essentially the same thing ??
 
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They are not the same thing. An IR divergence is one that arises from integrals over low momentum or energy, and a UV divergence is one that arises from integrals over high momentum or energy.
 
yes of course, but from the mathematical point of view a change of variable would turn an IR divergence into a UV one, for a mathematician both functions or divergences would be the same since from the cut-off we can define a function \epsilon = 1/ \Lambda

with this epsilon tending to 0
 
But the physical variable is not the same, that is why we call them different
 
of course is not the same taking the integral

\int_{0}^{\infty} d\lambda f( \lambda )

or taking the integral \int_{0}^{\infty} dp f(p)

in the first integral we integrate over the wavelength (meters) whereas in the second we integrate over moment (kg.m/second) but for a mathematician both singularities would seem the same.
 
But it's physicists that are using these terms, and they do distinguish between divergent in E and in 1/E.
 

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