Are Physics PhD Programs Overloaded With Courses?

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The discussion revolves around the perceived workload of physics PhD programs, particularly in relation to the number of courses required and the breadth of topics covered. Participants reflect on their experiences and expectations regarding course loads and the necessity of various subjects within the curriculum.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern about the number of courses required for a PhD in physics, referencing extensive course catalogs from institutions like MIT.
  • Others clarify that while the course lists may appear overwhelming, not all courses are mandatory, and students typically take fewer courses after obtaining their BA degree.
  • A participant notes that the PhD journey involves significant self-study beyond formal coursework, suggesting that excitement for learning can offset the perceived burden of course loads.
  • One participant humorously suggests that the urgency to complete courses is driven by the ever-expanding nature of physics knowledge, implying that early completion may alleviate future learning pressures.
  • Concerns are raised about the inclusion of courses that may not be relevant to all students, with some participants dismissing certain classes as unnecessary for their specific career paths.
  • Another participant points out that course catalogs can be misleading, containing many courses that are rarely offered or aimed at non-physics majors, which may not reflect the actual course selection available to students.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the course load is excessive; instead, there are multiple competing views regarding the necessity and relevance of various courses in a physics PhD program.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the variability in course offerings and the subjective nature of course relevance based on individual career goals, indicating that the discussion is influenced by personal experiences and expectations.

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Too much physics!

I was reading the physics courses http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/web/courses/courses/index.htm#Physics", and boy, I was shocked. If I were to get a PhD in physics, would I have to take that many courses?
 
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so much physics, so little time!
 
definitely not. One usually takes from 3 to 5 courses per semester, for 6 semester, than you get your BA degree. And after that, much less courses per year on average.
 
That is a complete list of all courses offered by MIT's Department of Physics. Not all are mandatory, and there isn't enough time to take every single course and to study every single area of physics in great detail. But getting a PhD does require you to know a lot of stuff. By that I mean you will eventually read a lot of stuff on your own and learn a lot outside of your courses.

However, I never thought of physics courses that way, even during my undergrad i was EXCITED to finally take some courses I found interesting (even though I had a lot of required courses).
 
You can't get TOO much physics ;-)
 
You'd better do it now, before physicists discover even more physics for you to take.

You think Einstein had to take Modern physics or Quantum Mechanics? Nope. So, the sooner you get it over with, the less you'll have to learn.

EDIT: Looked over the course list. It's not really that bad. Especially since some of them are "repeats" (same title, different year). And like others have said, a lot of those other courses are simply optional depending on what you want to do later in your career. I wouldn't take, for example, statistical physics in biology. I just don't see myself doing biology. It makes me squeemish. :( But instead I would take say the theory of solids classes.

Here is a list of physics classes offered at UW:

http://www.washington.edu/students/crscat/phys.html

A lot of those are graduate level, and a lot of those are total BS classes, like Phys 215 "A Way of Knowing.", so we would't be expected to take them.

The general list of classes you need to take to graduate with a BS degree, though, isn't that bad:

http://www.phys.washington.edu/bsrequirements.htm
 
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Those catalogs also tend to end up bloated with courses that are offered once in a while, and some of them are annually, and some of them are targeted largely at non-physics majors...it's not really a representative sample of what actually ends up being available for you to choose from. Or of what you're expected to learn.
 
what is the point of this thread ?
 

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