Are Pro-Life Activists Justified in Their Extreme Actions?

[Kerrie]

I'm interested in peoples' thoughts on the pro-life people who murder doctors. I'm just after opinions, thoughts about the different values at work, et cetera.

oops looks like we veered off topic some...

 

[Evo]

I guess any response should include a look at the original post. :blush: Thanks for the reminder Kerrie.

I can shoe horn most of my reply to make it topical.

 

[BoulderHead]

Originally Posted by Adam
I'm interested in peoples' thoughts on the pro-life people who murder doctors. I'm just after opinions, thoughts about the different values at work, et cetera.

I think it is fairly obvious that “murder” isn’t actually what such people stand against. I suggest if they wish to become better acquainted with at least one source of trouble in this world they go look in a mirror.

 

[Entropy]

If the child really thought his life was worst than death then wouldn't the child commit suicide? I know that's a very grizzly and disturbing statement, but perhaps its the truth.

Until the day I see anti abortion groups taking responsibility for the welfare of the children and mothers they want to have control over, I will remain pro choice.

I'm sure there are thousands of people who have adopted children and are pro-life.

Preventing abortion will just cause more horrible abuse & death for children, but that's ok? Many that don't die will be emotionally scarred for life. Many then become abusers and killers. It's a vicious cycle. But they were born, isn't that wonderful? We can all sleep better at night knowing that it's because of our interference that they were born into a living hell.

One chooses to become a killer. I myself would be willing to be born into an abusive family instead of dying.

Whats next? If we find that a child might be born with a disease we abort it? Or if its mentally challeneged? Or if they might get cancer at 50? Then what? If they might have to wear glasses or braces? They'll just leave a life of suffering after all? They'll just continue the cycle by passing on there genes and creating more suffering. And what about a starving village in a third world country that can't get food. We better just bomb them to end there suffering. After all we are smarter than them, and we are the ones intellegent enough to decides who lives and who dies.

 

[Evo]

If the child really thought his life was worst than death then wouldn't the child commit suicide? I know that's a very grizzly and disturbing statement, but perhaps its the truth.

This is all off topic, so I cannot respond to all of your post. I will just briefly say that you should read up on and maybe even volunteer time in a shelter for battered and abused women & children. Donate time in a ward for children institutionalized for life that were born to mothers who were drug addicts and are basically unadoptable. You may find great personal reward in helping the less fortunate improve their lives rather than mindlessly opposing abortion regardless of the consequences.

So Entropy, getting back on topic. How do you feel about the "pro lifers" that kill doctors? Interestingly, they have all been religious fanatics. I do not think that normal, mainstream religious people or even so called "pro lifers" condone these murders, but I have seen no great outlash from the religious or pro life community against them that leads me to think that underneath the outer displayed disaproval there is an inner hidden sense of satisfaction?

 

[Entropy]

How do you know I don't do community service? You don't even know me, how can you just assume I'm some shmuck who is completely devoid of kindness. Because I believe its possible for someone to overcome harsh conditions and make something of themselves and grow up to lead happy lives. Because someone has had poor parenting they are worthy of sympathy and help. But if they choose to continue the abuse then they are not longer innoccent and its their fault, although the abuse they suffered may influenced them it did not force them to repeat the actions of there parents.

As a matter of fact I've done my share of community service. Perhaps not the same as you've stated but no less important. I use to help out at my local state park where my mom volunteered helping give trail rides. The man who runned the stables that gave the trail rides also lived in the park in a small shack. He was crippled from the waste down and had only one good hand due to motorcycle accident. I'd help out usually on the weekends just doing general labour he was unable to do, despite the fact I don't like horses. Unfortunately his health took a turn for the worst and he died of a heart failure. So after the stables were closed because no one else could run it. We did end up adopting one of the horses who had an accident and lost one of her eyes and therefore couldn't be sold.

So Entropy, getting back on topic. How do you feel about the "pro lifers" that kill doctors? Interestingly, they have all been religious fanatics. I do not think that normal, mainstream religious people or even so called "pro lifers" condone these murders, but I have seen no great outlash from the religious or pro life community against them that leads me to think that underneath the outer displayed disaproval there is an inner hidden sense of satisfaction?

They are murders. Treat them as any other criminal. Giving them the attention above any other murder whether it be from pro-lifers or from abortionists gives them what they want and that is to be heard, and therefore gives incentive for others to do the same. I believe if you ignore the fact why they did it and just look them up it like any other criminal it will make the other fanatics more hesitent to do the same.

 

[Evo]

How do you know I don't do community service? You don't even know me, how can you just assume I'm some shmuck who is completely devoid of kindness.

I wasn't referring to just doing community service, but gaining an understanding of victims of abuse, some of your comments make me think that you don't understand, like this statement

"But if they choose to continue the abuse then they are not longer innoccent and its their fault"

It's not that they choose to continue the abuse, especially in the case of children. It is very easy for someone on the outside to just say "they can leave any time, it's their own fault if they stay and put up with it". I have learned how wrong that is. The victims are not guilty. One of the biggest hurdles for these victims to overcome is their feeling that it *is* their fault. But we are straying off topic again.

They are murders. Treat them as any other criminal. Giving them the attention above any other murder whether it be from pro-lifers or from abortionists gives them what they want and that is to be heard, and therefore gives incentive for others to do the same. I believe if you ignore the fact why they did it and just look them up it like any other criminal it will make the other fanatics more hesitent to do the same.

The last pro life murderer, I can't remember his name, loved the publicity he was getting. He said that he would become a martyr. He was nuts. But when you deal with fanatics of this type, ignoring them may not be a detriment because they believe they are doing god's work.

 

[Entropy]

The last pro life murderer, I can't remember his name, loved the publicity he was getting. He said that he would become a martyr. He was nuts. But when you deal with fanatics of this type, ignoring them may not be a detriment because they believe they are doing god's work.

True, but what else can you really do about them? Besides posts guards around ever abortion clinic. Anyone have any other ideas about stopping them?

I wasn't referring to just doing community service, but gaining an understanding of victims of abuse, some of your comments make me think that you don't understand, like this statement

I'm very well away that it can be extremely hard and depressing having parents who deep down don't want you. In real life I don't really speak up against abortions, but if I had to stand somewhere it would be against them because deep down I believe that killing doesn't solve anything. But anyways I'm done talking about this because this is really just going around in circles.

 

[Evo]

In real life I don't really speak up against abortions, but if I had to stand somewhere it would be against them because deep down I believe that killing doesn't solve anything. But anyways I'm done talking about this because this is really just going around in circles.

I deeply respect your convictions, and I don't like the idea of abortion either, but I am not opposed to it in certain situations. Yes, it is an argument that can only go in circles.