Are Real and Complex Analysis useful for engineering students?

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The discussion revolves around the usefulness of real and complex analysis for engineering students, including recommendations for introductory textbooks and the relevance of these subjects in various engineering fields. Participants explore the appropriateness of different texts for self-study and the foundational knowledge required for understanding advanced topics in mathematics and engineering.

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  • One participant seeks recommendations for elementary books on real and complex analysis suitable for self-study at the undergraduate level.
  • Another participant argues that Rudin's "Real and Complex Analysis" is not an introductory text and suggests alternatives like Shilov's book and others that are more accessible for beginners.
  • Several participants recommend specific books for real analysis, including "Elementary Analysis" by Ross and "Principles of Real Analysis" by Rudin, noting their suitability for those with varying levels of experience with proof-based mathematics.
  • There are discussions about the relevance of real and complex analysis in engineering, with some participants asserting that it is particularly useful for fields like signal processing and control systems.
  • One participant mentions that knowledge in real analysis is extremely beneficial depending on the engineering specialization, while another questions the overall utility of these subjects for engineering students.
  • Recommendations for topology texts include Munkres' book and Lee's "Introduction to Topological Manifolds," emphasizing the need for prior exposure to analysis.
  • Participants express interest in additional topics such as linear algebra, abstract algebra, and statistics, with suggestions for various introductory texts in these areas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus on the overall usefulness of real and complex analysis for engineering students, as opinions vary based on individual specializations and experiences. While some participants advocate for the importance of these subjects, others express skepticism regarding their necessity.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the varying levels of mathematical background required for different texts, indicating that some books may be more suitable for those with prior experience in proof writing, while others cater to complete beginners. The discussion also reflects differing opinions on the relevance of advanced mathematical topics in practical engineering applications.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for engineering students considering self-study in mathematics, particularly those interested in real and complex analysis, topology, linear algebra, abstract algebra, and statistics.

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I have never studied analysis as i am graduate student in engineering. Can anyone point me the elementary book on real and complex analysis preferably junior, undergraduate level book. I found this 2. Can anyone math graduate student comment or put some advice onto it.

1. Elementary Real and Complex Analysis by Georgi E. Shilov
2. Real and Complex Analysis by Walter Rudin.

I am trying to do self study in math preferably undergraduate level math. Also for topology I found this book.
1. Topology without tears.
Are there basic books for the first time like mild treatment for the materials.I don't prefer bulky book.
 
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Rudin's Real and Complex Analysis is absolutely not an introductory textbook; it's something you would read after having had a very solid introduction to the field (and there are better books out there anyway, in my opinion). I'm a big fan of Shilov's book, and if you have any experience at all with proof based mathematics it would work very well as an introduction. If you're less comfortable with writing proofs, there are some analysis texts out there designed for students with little or no experience in abstract math. A few good ones...

Understanding Analysis - Abbot
Elementary Analysis: The theory of calculus - Ross

The above two are very gentle introductions and very well written, but you'd probably want to move on to something a little more substantial afterwards (like Shilov).

For topology (which I applaud you for studying, since it's one of the most interesting areas in mathematics), I would probably wait until you've studied some analysis (and algebra, if you haven't already), since analysis will motivate a lot of the topics in topology. I haven't read Topology without tears myself, but I've heard good things. Munkres' Topology is pretty standard, and is generally considered to be fantastic. If you're looking for a bit of a different perspective, Lee's "Introduction to topological manifolds" is a good introduction (though it assumes a working knowledge of group theory and comfort with analysis), but it's very nonstandard (written from the perspective of a differential geometer).
 
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hariyo said:
Are there basic books for the first time like mild treatment for the materials.I don't prefer bulky book.

for an engineer this book is about as good as it gets. the last third has a bunch of applications, from fluids, E&M, etc:

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https://www.amazon.com/dp/0073051942/?tag=pfamazon01-20

...& if you want to save your $150
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Sea...hurchill&sts=t&tn=complex+variables&x=66&y=15
 
One of the best complex analysis books is the ine by Bak and Newman. See https://www.amazon.com/dp/0387947566/?tag=pfamazon01-20

As for Real analysis, I've heard good things of Berberian's books. So it's worth to check out. If you want to go for Rudin, then start of with "Principles of Real analysis" and not with "Real analysis and Complex Analysis".
 
If you're not too experienced with proof writing, I recommend Elementary Analysis by Ross. It's a very gentle introduction to analysis. This book solely deals with analysis on the real numbers, and does not concern itself with metric spaces or anything. The problems are very friendly and I think it has hints in the back. A great self study and first analysis book.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1441928111/?tag=pfamazon01-20

If you want something tougher which does more abstract work, I'd recommend my favorite undergraduate real analysis book is by N. L. Carothers:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0521497566/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Both of these books are fairly priced (about 50 bucks) and very readable. The exercises are also very helpful and the books are great choices for self-study.
 
Are these subjects really useful to an engineering student?
 
Angry Citizen said:
Are these subjects really useful to an engineering student?

Depends on what you intend to specialize in. If, for example, you want to be really strong in theoretical foundation in system/control/signal, knowledge in real analysis (and math in general) is extremely useful.
 
How about aerospace propulsion (chemical rocket and experimental) and computational fluid dynamics?
 
I believe micromass meant "Principles of Mathematical Analysis" by Rudin, which is a great book for introduction to real analysis (if you are comfortable with proof already). To study topology, you need to get some exposure to open sets and continuity in analysis first IMO, or you will just see a lot of abstract definitions. Munkres' book is very good as #9 already pointed out.
 
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Thankyou Number9 and others. Could you also share your thoughts for linear algebra and abstract algebra? And last one for statistics(not probability & Random variable) topics includes the basic theory of statistical inference for instance classical theory of estimation & hypothesis testing, linear models & least squares etc.
 
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For abstract algebra, check out "a book on abstract algebra" by Pinter. A very good introduction to the topic.
 
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hariyo said:
Thankyou Number9 and others. Could you also share your thoughts for linear algebra and abstract algebra? And last one for statistics(not probability & Random variable) topics includes the basic theory of statistical inference for instance classical theory of estimation & hypothesis testing, linear models & least squares etc.

For detection and estimation theory, try "Fundamentals of Statistical Signal Processing" Vol 1 & 2 by Steven Kay.
 
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Angry Citizen said:
Are these subjects really useful to an engineering student?

I took complex analysis as an engineering student and must say that it is very useful. Some EE departments require their students to learn this stuff. My department taught us just a little in a required course - just the minimum to get us through basic applications of the residue theorem, but I later took it from the math department and got a much better understanding. Here is my recommendation for an ee, as it discusses integral (and Z) transforms, which Churchill&Brown leave out:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0133274616/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Most EE PhDs I know who specialized in signal processing, communications, or other more mathy fields of EE took at least one semester of undergrad real analysis, and many took an abstract algebra course as well. So for cutting edge research it is required, but not for the daily jobs of most employed EEs. I wish I had taken a real analysis course, as it would make the literature easier to read - I taught myself really basic analysis, which has helped quite a bit (I used Lay - analysis with an introduction to proof.).

I also second the recommendation on the statistical signal processing books by Kay, as they are really well written. The downside: they are really expensive!

good luck,

jason
 
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