Are Strings Really Like Hoola Hoops in Physics?

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The discussion revolves around the analogy of strings in physics, particularly comparing them to hula hoops and exploring their properties as one-dimensional objects. Participants delve into the nature of open and closed strings, their implications in string theory, and the characteristics of axions within this framework.

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  • Some participants propose that strings can be visualized as one-dimensional objects that form circles, akin to hula hoops, which can collide and reform.
  • Others argue that the analogy of a hula hoop is inadequate due to its rigidity, suggesting that a rubber band may be a better representation of a string's elastic nature.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between open and closed strings, with some participants emphasizing that closed strings are associated with gravity, while open strings pertain to other particles.
  • One participant mentions specific closed strings, such as the graviton, axion, and delaton, noting their massless nature and contrasting predictions from quantum mechanics regarding the axion's mass.
  • Another participant questions whether the term "axion" refers to the same entity across different contexts in string theory, highlighting the potential for confusion due to overlapping terminology.
  • There is mention of various models and the need for clarity regarding the specific types of axions being discussed, including references to literature that addresses the spectrum of states in string theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of analogies for strings, the nature of closed versus open strings, and the interpretation of axions in string theory. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on these topics.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the definitions and interpretations of terms like "axion," which may vary in different contexts within string theory. Some participants express uncertainty about the specific models and characteristics being referenced.

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Is this correct? Strings are one dimensional objects that form circles (hoola hoops) that flip in certain directions as they move through space. The strings can collide with other hoola hoops and break, then reform into other hoola hoops with different properties.
 
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You are leaving out the fact that stings can be closed (which you describe) OR open. I'm not talking about a broken hoop that reforms, I mean just a string.
 
So what would be a good analogy?
 
ProfuselyQuarky said:
So what would be a good analogy?
Why do you need an analogy? There are open strings and closed strings.
 
Hula hoop is not a good analogy because hula hoop is rigid while string is elastic. A much better analogy is a rubber band.
 
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phinds said:
You are leaving out the fact that stings can be closed (which you describe) OR open. I'm not talking about a broken hoop that reforms, I mean just a string.
And if I remember correctly, the only thing that would be composed of closed strings is gravity. Everything else must be open.
 
newjerseyrunner said:
And if I remember correctly, the only thing that would be composed of closed strings is gravity. Everything else must be open.

We have 3 closed strings
graviton with spin 2
Axion and Delaton with spin 0
all 3 massless
calculated out of all stringtheories and several M theory T duality cases the Axion is massless (Witten), different to quantummechanics predictions that Axion should have mass for dark matter
These are the earliest natural predictions out of string theory
 
newjerseyrunner said:
And if I remember correctly, the only thing that would be composed of closed strings is gravity. Everything else must be open.

If you are interested in the states (particles) that show up in string theory, I liked the treatment in Theissen and Lust's book which explicitly looks at the "full" spectrum of states.
MacRudi said:
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different to quantummechanics predictions that Axion should have mass for dark matter
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Are you sure those are the same axions?
I know that there are several things we call an axion in string theory. A while back I encountered axions in a particular parametrisation of the metric on an internal space. They aren't the same as the Peccei-Quinn axions. (I think you meant those?)
It had something to do with the way the scalars show up in the action, if it show up in a certain form people call them axions. (details are foggy)
 
JorisL said:
If you are interested in the states (particles) that show up in string theory, I liked the treatment in Theissen and Lust's book which explicitly looks at the "full" spectrum of states.Are you sure those are the same axions?
I know that there are several things we call an axion in string theory. A while back I encountered axions in a particular parametrisation of the metric on an internal space. They aren't the same as the Peccei-Quinn axions. (I think you meant those?)
It had something to do with the way the scalars show up in the action, if it show up in a certain form people call them axions. (details are foggy)

There are 2 Modells out of the 80s. But I'm not sure if this is today meant, what you mean.
I mean the Pecci Quinn Axion
you mean maybe the building up out of branes?
Or do you mean the Axino?

Maybe I have to look in Kusters textbook. If you have concret informations I would be glad to see it.
 
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The problem is that often we use the same name for quite different things.
I was wondering if the axion you spoke of was the PQ axion or one of those that just get lumped together because they are the same if you look at them from a distance (i.e. without looking closely).
An example could be states with the same index structure as a photon, you still have to check that it actually _is_ a photon.
With axions this sometimes doesn't happen.

I'll see if I can dig something up although it will likely be for next week as I'm busy at the moment.
 
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