Are the goals outlined in the United Nations Charter realistic?

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The discussion revolves around the realism and achievability of the goals outlined in the United Nations Charter. Participants explore various aspects of the Charter's aims, including international peace, human rights, and cooperation among nations, while considering examples and implications of its effectiveness.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the achievability of the UN Charter's goals, citing historical failures in member nations as evidence.
  • One participant questions the specific goals of the Charter and provides a link to the official document for reference.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the presence of certain nations on the Human Rights Council, suggesting that this undermines the integrity of the Charter and the UN as a whole.
  • Another participant acknowledges the systemic issues within the UN but argues that it still serves as a platform for dialogue among nations, which is better than having no organization at all.
  • There is a mention of the successes of specific UN programs, such as those by the WHO, in improving global health outcomes, though doubts remain about the overall effectiveness of the UN in achieving its broader goals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express disagreement regarding the effectiveness and integrity of the UN Charter's goals. Multiple competing views are presented, with some arguing for the necessity of the UN despite its flaws, while others advocate for its disbandment due to perceived corruption.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific nations and organizations, highlighting the complexity of international relations and the challenges in meeting the Charter's goals. There is an acknowledgment of the limitations of the Charter in preventing conflicts and ensuring human rights.

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Hi,
i was just wondering your opinion on whether you think that the goals/aims/statements made in the (amended) UN charter are realistic and achievable? provided examples would also be helpful as evidence,
Thanks
 
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No. The failure of those goals to be met in even member nations makes that painfully clear. In the broader sense of preventing "great wars", only more history will tell.
 
What are they?
 
http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/index.shtml
 
Since the charter is unable to prevent monster states like Saudi Arabia and Iran to sit on the..Human Rights Council, and even retain the right to vote, and thereby influence the UN decisions, the charter is totally corrupt, and the whole organization should be disbanded.
 
nismaratwork said:
http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/index.shtml

Is it just these four:

1. To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;

2. To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;

3. To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion; and

4. To be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in the attainment of these common ends.

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I would have to guess they haven't come far in achieving any of these goals, though I'm sure individual UN programs have brought about the level of social change they desired at the program level.
 
Yes,
Basically it's just the goals of maintaining international peace and security, promoting better standards of life for all peoples, forwarding social and economic advancement, and overseeing the maintenance of human rights etc.

I realize the system is corrupt and arguably ineffective, except i support it is better than nothing, and is at least a platform where countries can voice concerns and discuss significant global issues...

And some organisations such as WHO I guess have raised quality of life through successes such as eradication of smallpox?

So really, I'm wondering whether even subsidary UN organisations such as the World Bank and UNSECO or UNEP, have been able to fulfil some of these targets (ie. maintenance world peace, social progress etc)
 
arildno said:
Since the charter is unable to prevent monster states like Saudi Arabia and Iran to sit on the..Human Rights Council, and even retain the right to vote, and thereby influence the UN decisions, the charter is totally corrupt, and the whole organization should be disbanded.
The conclusions don't follow from the hypothesis. :-p
 

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