MHB Are the two sequences decreasing, inferiorly bounded, and converging to 0?

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The discussion centers on the properties of two sequences defined by specific recursive formulas. Participants are evaluating whether both sequences are decreasing, inferiorly bounded, and converge to zero. Initial attempts involve using polar coordinates to analyze the sequences, but there is a recognition that this approach may not be effective. A suggestion is made to use proof by induction to establish the desired properties directly. The conversation emphasizes the need for a clear proof strategy to validate the statements about the sequences.
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Let be $ (a_n) $ and $ (b_n) $ two sequences that verify: $$ a_{n+1} = \sqrt{a_{n}\cdot b_{n}}, \quad b_{n+1} = \frac {b_{0}}{a_{0}}\sqrt{a_{n}\cdot b_{n}}, \quad a_{0} > b_{0} > 0 $$ Indicate if the following statements are true:

(1) Both sequences are decreasing.
(2) Both sequences are inferiorly bounded.
(3) Both sequences converge to 0.

Well, I tried to do something similar to what I was suggested to do in http://mathhelpboards.com/calculus-10/convergence-sequence-15868.html. So I took polar coordinates:

Using that: $$ \left\{\begin{matrix}
a_{n} = r_{n}\cos(\theta_{n}) \\
b_{n} = r_{n}\sin(\theta_{n})
\end{matrix}\right. $$ Then: $$ \left\{\begin{matrix}
r_{n+1}\cos(\theta_{n+1}) = \sqrt{r_{n}\cos(\theta_{n})} \\
r_{n+1}\sin(\theta_{n+1}) = \left (\frac{b_{0}}{a_{0}} \right )\sqrt{r_{n}\sin(\theta_{n})}
\end{matrix}\right. $$ Squaring both equations: $$ \left\{\begin{matrix}
r_{n+1}^2\cos^2(\theta_{n+1}) = r_{n}\cos(\theta_{n}) \\
r_{n+1}^2\sin^2(\theta_{n+1}) = \left (\frac{b_{0}}{a_{0}} \right )^2 r_{n}\sin(\theta_{n})
\end{matrix}\right. $$ Summing both equations I get: $$ r_{n+1}^2 = r_{n}\left [ \cos(\theta_{n}) + \left (\frac{b_{0}}{a_{0}} \right )^2\sin(\theta_{n}) \right ] $$ But I got stuck there. :/
 
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Polar coordinates are not going to be much help here. I think that the key idea will be to use proof by induction.

Can you see for example whether it is true that $a_{n+1} < a_n$, or that $b_n <a_n$?
 
Hi,
I think you want to prove these statements directly. Here's an outline of a proof:

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Hi again,
Now that you have digested my previous post, I hope, here's an alternate way to prove the results:

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