Are there any correlations between nuclear fusion and atomic structures?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the correlations between nuclear fusion and atomic structures, addressing questions about the conditions under which atoms can fuse, the forces involved in fusion, and the stability of different atomic configurations in relation to fusion processes. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications regarding fusion in nuclear physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that not all atoms can fuse, as the product must be a viable nucleus, while others suggest that certain pairs, like hydrogen and carbon, could potentially fuse under specific conditions.
  • There is a discussion about the forces required for fusion, with one participant suggesting that energy is a more relevant concept than force, noting that some fusion reactions may not require energy but are unlikely at low energy levels.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the stability of atomic structures and how this affects fusion, with references to the nuclear stability chart and the balance between electrostatic repulsion and the strong force.
  • Some atomic configurations are considered easier to fuse than others, with examples like deuterium and tritium being mentioned as more favorable for fusion.
  • One participant emphasizes that the energy required for fusion varies based on the atomic structure and the forces at play, comparing the difficulty of fusion to ascending different floors of a building.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions necessary for fusion, the relevance of energy versus force in fusion processes, and the implications of atomic structure on fusion feasibility. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of fusion processes, including the influence of subatomic particles and the limitations of current understanding regarding energy requirements and stability conditions. There is an acknowledgment of the need for further exploration of these concepts.

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I have questions regarding nuclear fusion:

1: Can all atoms fuse, say a hydrogen and carbon atom, could they fuse? or does it need to be the same type of atoms.

2: Are there any equations that determine the force needed to fuse? I'd think it'd have to do with x and x2 number of protons meet, where the distance where the strong force overtakes the EM force is y, so the force required is equal or more than (x2*x1/y)k, but ofcourse structures in the nucleous and the electrons would complicate this..

3: Are there any correlations to the stability islands, such as low energy fusions. Whereas some forms of fusions are lower energy, even if the number of protons is higher? I'd assume some atomic structures would allow for easier fusion.
 
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Well all complicated knowledge aside it's basically simple , atoms normally would like to fuse but mother nature wanted to create the universe so she made particles with charge like protons and electrons.
Further follows the same thing as with magnets and their poles ,respectively the same charges tend to repel but opposite charges attract.
Now so it happens to be that inside the nucleus there are protons and the more they are there the bigger the total electrostatic repulsion so the higher kinetic energy is required to push them beyond the point where the strong force can take over.

Basically I am not an expert to say would carbon fuse with hydrogen if carbon is in the left side of the nuclear stability chart then probably yes under given conditions.
But the point of the stability chart is that you can only fuse up to a given number of protons/neutrons in a nucleus any further than that and the nucleus becomes too overcrowded and nuclear fission takes over because the repulsion of the particles making up the nucleus becomes too great for it to stay together any more , remember strong force has it's strength only over a very small distance so electric repulsion takes over as it even being weaker works over larger scales.
 
Can all atoms fuse
Not all pairs of atoms can fuse, the product has to be a possible nucleus. Many pairs are possible.
say a hydrogen and carbon atom, could they fuse?
That is possible.

2: Are there any equations that determine the force needed to fuse?
Force is not a useful concept here. Energy is more important.
Some reactions don't need any energy, but they are very unlikely if the energy is too low. All fusion processes which release energy are in this category.
Some reactions need a minimal energy, as the product has more mass (and therefore rest-energy) than the two fused particles had.

Your question 3 jumps so much between different concepts that I have no idea how to reply to it.
 
"""I'd assume some atomic structures would allow for easier fusion. """

Well indeed , that's why their trying with deuterium and tritium , how easy or hard it is depends on the nucleus of different atoms , as I said in earlier post it's due to the forces which are at play and also of the subatomic particles which have these forces ad charges , so some configurations are easier to fuse ad some require much more added energy to make the same thing happen.

It's like going to the first floor or to the twenty third , both are possible only the latter one requires more sweat and energy.
 

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