Are There Closed Form Versions for Cubic Polynomials with 3 or 4 Points?

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The discussion revolves around the existence of closed form expressions for cubic polynomials that pass through three or four specified points in the Cartesian plane. Participants explore the mathematical formulations for these cases, referencing known forms for one and two points, and debating the validity and uniqueness of proposed forms for three and four points.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether closed form versions exist for cubic polynomials that pass through three or four points, noting known forms for one and two points.
  • Another participant asserts that a unique cubic polynomial can be constructed to pass through any four given points, while noting that an infinite number of cubics can pass through one, two, or three points.
  • A proposed formula for a cubic polynomial through three points is presented, which incorporates a cubic term and fractions based on the Lagrange formula for quadratics.
  • A later reply provides a detailed expression for a cubic polynomial that passes through four points, identified as the Lagrange polynomial.
  • Participants acknowledge the validity of the proposed forms and express appreciation for the clarification of the 3-point version and the unnecessary cubic terms in the 2-point version.
  • One participant suggests that the same 4-point form could be applicable across various scenarios, including cases with zero to four fixed points.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While there is agreement on the existence of a unique cubic polynomial for four points and the validity of the proposed forms, the discussion includes differing views on the necessity of certain terms in the expressions and the general applicability of the 4-point form.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the Lagrange polynomial and its application, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the necessity of specific terms in the polynomial expressions and the implications of using the same form across different scenarios.

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Here's an interesting question. I'm aware of closed forms of cubic polynomials that go through 1 or 2 specific (x,y) points. Are there closed form versions for 3 or 4 points?

1 pt: [tex]y = a(x-x_0)^3 + b(x-x_0)^2 + c(x-x_0) + y_0[/tex]

2 pt: [tex]y = a(x-x_0)^2(x-x_1)\ +\ b(x-x_0)(x-x_1)^2 \ +\ \frac{y_0(x-x_1)^3}{(x_0-x_1)^3} \ +\ \frac{y_1(x-x_0)^3}{(x_1-x_0)^3}[/tex]

3 pt: [tex]y = \ ?[/tex]

4 pt: [tex]y = \ ?[/tex]

I don't think there are.
 
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Given any 4 points in the plane, there exist a unique cubic polynomial whose graph goes through those 4 points. Given 1, 2, or 3 points, there exist an infinite number of different cubics passing through those points. In your first example, yes, different choices for a, b, c give different cubics through [itex](x_0,y_0)[/itex]. In your second example, different choices for a and b give different cubics through [itex](x_0,y_0)[/itex] and [itex](x_1,y_1)[/itex]. (I think you don't really need the cubes in the last two fractions.)

For 3 points, what's wrong with
[tex]y= a(x-x_0)(x-x_1)(x-x_2)+\frac{y_0(x-x_1)(x-x_2)}{(x_0-x_1)(x_0-x_2)}+ \frac{y_1(x-x_0)(x-x_2)}{(x_1-x_0)(x_1-x_2)}+ \frac{y_2(x-x_0)(x-x_1)}{(x_2-x_1)(x_2-x_0)}[/tex]

for 4 points, the unique cubic is given by the LaGrange polynomial
[tex]y= \frac{y_0(x-x_1)(x-x_2)(x-x_3)}{(x_0-x_1)(x_0-x_2)(x_0-x_3)}+\frac{y_1(x-x_0)(x-x_2)(x-x_3)}{(x_1-x_0)(x_1-x_2)(x_1-x_3)}+\frac{y_2(x-x_0)(x-x_1)(x-x_3)}{(x_2-x_0)(x_2-x_1)(x_2-x_3)}+\frac{y_3(x-x_0)(x-x_1)(x-x_2)}{(x_3-x_0)(x_3-x_1)(x_3-x_2)}[/tex]
 
Thanks! I should have known the 4-pt. verison. Lagrange. Of course. The 3-pt version I haven't seen before. And you are right, don't need cubes in the last two fractions for the 2-pt version. Thanks.
 
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For the 3 pt version, I just extended what you did with 1 and 2 pts! The fractions are, of course, the Lagrange formula for a quadratic through the three points and the first term is a cubic that is 0 at each given point.
 
Looking at it all now, it makes perfect logical sense. Thanks.
 
Actually, the same 4-pt form can be used for all situations (0 fixed points - 4 fixed points). See attachment.
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