Are There Limitations to Using L'Hospital's Rule for Calculus Limits?

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The discussion revolves around the limitations and conditions under which L'Hospital's Rule can be applied to calculus limits. Participants explore specific examples where the rule may or may not yield correct results, as well as the implications of these limitations in the context of their calculus studies.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes their reliance on L'Hospital's Rule for various limits and questions when it is inappropriate to use it.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of understanding the details of L'Hospital's Rule, citing a specific limit example that could lead to an incorrect conclusion if misapplied.
  • Some participants mention specific limits, such as \(\frac{\sin |x|}{|x|}\) and \(\frac{x + \sin x}{x}\), as problematic cases for applying L'Hospital's Rule.
  • A participant points out that the existence of the limit is a necessary condition for the application of L'Hospital's Rule, referencing a limit that does not exist as a counterexample.
  • There is a recognition that some participants were unaware of the condition regarding the existence of limits in the context of L'Hospital's Rule.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the conditions for applying L'Hospital's Rule, with some acknowledging limitations while others seem to be learning about these conditions for the first time. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the full implications of these limitations.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss specific examples and counterexamples related to L'Hospital's Rule, highlighting the need for careful consideration of limit existence and the subtleties involved in applying the rule correctly.

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I'm retaking Calculus I right now during the summer. It's been quite a while but I am pretty much breezing through it except for the limit section. I remember the first time around, my prof didn't put ANY emphasis on limits and I haven't really had to do much of anything with limits since then during my math degree. This prof I have now however, seems to love them. Radicalizing, substitution, factoring them; whatever.

My question is this: I noticed that pretty much any limit he's given me I am able to pretty much take the lazy way out and just do L'Hospitals rule for it and it comes out with the same answer whether its an infinite or finite limit. I won't even begin to pretend I know much about limits but is there a specific time in which I CAN'T do L'Hospitals? Obviously if I look at a single limit like (×-1)^2 I'm not going to start using chain rule on it, but what are my restrictions?
 
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As you get further in math, you often go back over old ideas and inspect them more carefully. So limits always have a place in courses later on, and your instructor is enjoying introducing you to this, perhaps at this level, subtle concept. But the topic is a source of many related concepts (for instance multivariable limits) and weird examples.

I'm not sure why you mentioned chain rule. I thought you were talking about l'Ho(s)pital's rule. But if you want to know why the details of the rule are important, try using l'hopital's rule on

\lim_{x\to0}\frac{\sin(x)}{e^x}.

The limit should be zero, but using l'Hopital's rule (incorrectly) can give you one.
 
Obviously things like \frac{\sin |x|}{|x|} as x \rightarrow 0 are problems.

\frac{x + \sin x}{x} as x \rightarrow \infty is another famous one.
 
pwsnafu said:
\frac{x + \sin x}{x} as x \rightarrow \infty is another famous one.
OK, what's the trick here? It seems like the limit meets the conditions of L'hopital's rule, yet it doesn't work. What's going on?
 
I think you're right lugita15, the limit is one before and after application of l'Ho(s)pital's rule
 
lugita15 said:
OK, what's the trick here? It seems like the limit meets the conditions of L'hopital's rule, yet it doesn't work. What's going on?

The limit

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must exist in order for

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to be true. So since limx→∞(1+cos x)/1 doesn't exist, l'Hôpital's rule doesn't apply to the original problem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L'Hôpital's_rule
 
Bohrok said:
The limit

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must exist in order for

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to be true. So since limx→∞(1+cos x)/1 doesn't exist, l'Hôpital's rule doesn't apply to the original problem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L'Hôpital's_rule
OK, I don't think I ever learned this condition.
 

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