Are there operators that change the curvature of manifolds?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of curvature in manifolds, particularly in the context of gauge theories of finance and its implications for changing curvature. Participants explore whether operators can influence the curvature of manifolds and the relationship between curvature and time, as well as the implications for different types of manifolds.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that curvature in financial models must be a function of capital flows, suggesting it cannot be constant.
  • Others argue that if curvature changes with respect to time, the manifold itself must also change, implying a relationship between curvature and the manifold's structure.
  • One participant asserts that Gaussian curvature is constant with respect to the manifold, indicating that any change in curvature implies a change in the manifold.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that it is conceivable to have a manifold whose geometry changes over time, potentially modeled by differential equations.
  • Some participants discuss the distinction between Riemannian and differentiable manifolds, noting that the properties of a Riemannian manifold are affected by changes in curvature.
  • A reference to Ricci flow is made as an example of a differential equation that illustrates changing geometry in manifolds.
  • There is a mention of the integral of curvature needing to be preserved for compact manifolds, which may have implications for financial theories that utilize such models.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between curvature and manifold structure, with no consensus on whether curvature can change without altering the manifold itself. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these ideas in the context of financial theories.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of curvature and manifold types, as well as unresolved mathematical steps regarding the implications of changing curvature over time.

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Seen a couple of pieces on gauge theories of finance equating arbitrage opportunities to curvature, for this to work the curvature must therefore not be constant, instead it would be some sort of a function of capital flows
 
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BWV said:
Seen a couple of pieces on gauge theories of finance equating arbitrage opportunities to curvature, for this to work the curvature must therefore not be constant, instead it would be some sort of a function of capital flows

Are the manifolds you're working with codify the time dimension? If the curvature is changing with respect to time, then so must your manifold. But the curvature should always be constant with respect to the manifold at any point in time.
 
Tac-Tics said:
Are the manifolds you're working with codify the time dimension? If the curvature is changing with respect to time, then so must your manifold. But the curvature should always be constant with respect to the manifold at any point in time.

The curvature would change over time, but not be dependent on the time variable - other variables, perhaps stochastic, would determine the curvature
 
My point is simply that if you're talking about gaussian curvature, it IS constant with respect to the manifold. If your curvature is changing, then so is your manifold.
 
Tac-Tics said:
My point is simply that if you're talking about gaussian curvature, it IS constant with respect to the manifold. If your curvature is changing, then so is your manifold.

It is possible to imagine a manifold in which its geometry is changing in time - e.g. using a differential equation.
 
wofsy said:
It is possible to imagine a manifold in which its geometry is changing in time - e.g. using a differential equation.

But then you're not dealing with a constant manifold. You're dealing with a manifold-valued function. In such a case, all properties which depend on the manifold transitively depend on the time parameter as well.
 
Tac-Tics said:
But then you're not dealing with a constant manifold. You're dealing with a manifold-valued function. In such a case, all properties which depend on the manifold transitively depend on the time parameter as well.

The Riemannian manifold is not constant but the differentiable manifold is.
 
wofsy said:
It is possible to imagine a manifold in which its geometry is changing in time - e.g. using a differential equation.

I think that an example of such a D.E. is the famous Ricci flow, which plays an important role in the solution of the Poincaré conjecture by Perelman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricci_flow.
 
A Riemannian metric is an easily perturbed object. The discussion above is semantics, of course (if we're talking about the curvature of a manifold, it's necessary Riemannian, and if we change the metric, it's a different Riemannian manifold). The only thing that has to be preserved is the integral of the curvature, if the manifold is compact. I imagine that any reasonable financial theory would assume this, however.
 

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