Are Thermal States Always Mixed States?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of thermal states in quantum mechanics, specifically whether thermal states are always mixed states or if pure thermal states can exist. The conversation explores theoretical implications, definitions, and the behavior of systems at zero temperature.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if a thermal state is always a mixed state represented by the density matrix ρ=exp(-βH)/Tr(exp(-βH)), or if pure thermal states exist.
  • Another participant suggests considering the limit as temperature approaches zero, implying that a pure state may emerge in this scenario.
  • A subsequent reply confirms that as T approaches zero, the density matrix approaches a pure state, raising the question of whether such pure thermal states can exist in nature.
  • One participant clarifies that if the ground state is non-degenerate, the zero temperature limit yields a pure state, but notes that reaching absolute zero is physically unattainable. They also mention alternative methods to prepare nearly isolated pure states.
  • Another participant elaborates on the definition of a pure state as a projection operator and discusses the implications of the identity operator in the context of statistical operators, emphasizing that it cannot represent a mixed state in an infinite-dimensional Hilbert space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence of pure thermal states and the implications of reaching zero temperature. While some agree that a pure state can emerge at zero temperature under certain conditions, others highlight the practical limitations of achieving such states in nature.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the degeneracy of ground states and the implications of thermalization in closed systems. The limitations of reaching absolute zero temperature and the nature of statistical operators in infinite-dimensional spaces are also noted.

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Hey guys,
I was reading about thermal states and now I have a doubt: is a thermal state always a mixed state with density matrix ρ=exp(-βH)/Tr(exp(-βH)), or is there also a pure thermal state?
Thank you
 
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Think about what happens for T=1/\beta \rightarrow 0!
 
ρ→1 and we get a pure state, is that correct?
So there are pure thermal state, they are just thermal state at an (ideal) zero temperature?
If I am right, do such pure thermal states exist in nature?
Thanks a lot for your help!
 
As long as the ground state is not degenerate, the zero temperature limit does give a pure state. However, one can never really reach zero temperature by cooling in the physical world. On the other hand, there are other ways to prepare a nearly isolated pure state.

In fact, there is a sense in which pure states may display thermal properties. Imagine a closed system begun in some pure initial state which evolves unitarily. If the initial state is, on average, highly excited (e.g. has a finite energy density above the ground state), then one would expect on general grounds that the system should "thermalize" in some sense. Yet the state of the whole system must remain pure. However, as long as we look at small pieces of the whole system, we may imagine that the rest of the system acts as an effective bath, and the state of the small subsystem may look thermal.
 
A pure state is by definition described by a statistical operator that is a projection operator
\hat{\rho}=|\psi \rangle \langle \psi|
with a normalized state vector |\psi \rangle, i.e., with
\langle \psi|\psi \rangle.
Indeed if the ground state is not degenerate, then
\lim_{T \rightarrow 0} \hat{\rho}_{\text{can}} = |\Omega \rangle \langle \Omega|,
where |\Omega \rangle is the energy-eigenvector for the lowest energy-eigenvalue, and this is uniquely defined (up to a phase, which cancels in the statistical operator).

To stress it again: The identity operator generally cannot be a proper statistical operator, because for usual physical systems the state space is a true infinitely-dimensional Hilbert space, and a statistical operator must have trace 1. The identity operator in a proper Hilbert space has no finite trace and thus cannot represent a mixed state.
 

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