Discussion Overview
The discussion revolves around the nature of thermal states in quantum mechanics, specifically whether thermal states are always mixed states or if pure thermal states can exist. The conversation explores theoretical implications, definitions, and the behavior of systems at zero temperature.
Discussion Character
- Exploratory
- Debate/contested
- Technical explanation
Main Points Raised
- One participant questions if a thermal state is always a mixed state represented by the density matrix ρ=exp(-βH)/Tr(exp(-βH)), or if pure thermal states exist.
- Another participant suggests considering the limit as temperature approaches zero, implying that a pure state may emerge in this scenario.
- A subsequent reply confirms that as T approaches zero, the density matrix approaches a pure state, raising the question of whether such pure thermal states can exist in nature.
- One participant clarifies that if the ground state is non-degenerate, the zero temperature limit yields a pure state, but notes that reaching absolute zero is physically unattainable. They also mention alternative methods to prepare nearly isolated pure states.
- Another participant elaborates on the definition of a pure state as a projection operator and discusses the implications of the identity operator in the context of statistical operators, emphasizing that it cannot represent a mixed state in an infinite-dimensional Hilbert space.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants express differing views on the existence of pure thermal states and the implications of reaching zero temperature. While some agree that a pure state can emerge at zero temperature under certain conditions, others highlight the practical limitations of achieving such states in nature.
Contextual Notes
The discussion includes assumptions about the degeneracy of ground states and the implications of thermalization in closed systems. The limitations of reaching absolute zero temperature and the nature of statistical operators in infinite-dimensional spaces are also noted.