Are trigonometric ratios physical quantities?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether trigonometric ratios, such as sine, cosine, and tangent, can be classified as physical quantities. Participants explore the nature of angles and mathematical functions in relation to physical measurement and description.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that angles are physical quantities, referencing sources like Wikipedia's list of derived quantities.
  • Others argue that angles are descriptions of physical attributes rather than physical quantities themselves, suggesting that trigonometric functions follow this same reasoning.
  • A participant questions the measurement of mathematical functions and their correspondence to physical quantities, emphasizing the need for a transformation from mathematics to physics.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of defining physical quantities and the necessity of identifying what mathematical pairs describe in the physical world.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether angles and trigonometric ratios should be considered physical quantities, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the definitions of physical quantities and the assumptions underlying the measurement of mathematical functions. The discussion highlights the complexity of transitioning from mathematical concepts to physical interpretations.

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I already know the fact that angles are physical quantities, but sin, cos of some angles are quantities?
Quantities are those things, which can be quantified, are sin, cos, tan be quantified through measurement, if yes then other mathematical functions should also be categorised as physical quantities, but they not, why?
 
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Suyogya said:
I already know the fact that angles are physical quantities ...
Well, not really. Angles are DESCRIPTIONS of physical attributes, as are other math functions such as the trig functions.
 
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phinds said:
Well, not really. Angles are DESCRIPTIONS of physical attributes, as are other math functions such as the trig functions.
Angles are physical quantities (as written in the Wikipedia's list of derived quantities)
 
Suyogya said:
Angles are physical quantities (as written in the Wikipedia's list of derived quantities)
This distinction leads nowhere. E.g. take the angle of reflection on a mirror: is it a physical quantity or the description of what the light beam does? That's a question for linguists and philosophers. You defined a physical quantity of something, that can be measured. O.k., that makes sense as quantity already implies a measurement. But what did you have in mind as a mathematical function, that can be measured and does not correspond to a physical quantity?

You must always make the step from mathematics to physics beforehand, which is why @phinds called it a description. A mathematical function is nothing but a set of pairs. So before you can call it a physical quantity, you have to say, what these pairs should describe! It's not the pairs that can be measured, it's their identification with a real word property. Wikipedia wasn't accurate here, because the goal of that page wasn't a philosophical one, but a practical one. In any case, this transformation step from mathematics to physics has to be made, even if you hide it somewhere, as e.g. in distance (value of a metric) equals length (measurable physical quantity).
 

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