Are Units and Principal Ideals Related in Rings?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between units and principal ideals in rings, specifically addressing whether the product of two elements being a unit implies that both elements are units. It also explores a proof regarding the equivalence of principal ideals in an integral domain.

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  • Some participants question whether the condition that the product of two elements being a unit implies that both elements must be units, with hints provided for reasoning.
  • One participant suggests that in a commutative ring, having a right inverse for an element is sufficient to conclude that it is a unit, while noting that this may not hold in noncommutative rings.
  • A specific example involving endomorphisms of an infinite sum of abelian groups is presented to illustrate a case where two non-units can multiply to yield a unit.
  • There is a discussion about the definitions of rings, with some participants asserting that they consider rings to be commutative by definition, while others point out that this is not universally accepted.
  • One participant references an article that confirms the lack of a standard definition for rings, noting variations in definitions regarding identity elements.

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Participants express differing views on the definitions of rings and the implications of products of units, indicating that multiple competing views remain. The discussion on whether the product of two elements being a unit implies both are units is particularly contested.

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There is an unresolved debate regarding the definitions of rings, particularly concerning whether they are assumed to be commutative and whether they require an identity element. This affects the interpretations of the claims made in the discussion.

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Firstly, I have a question (irrevelant to the second one) which is: let x,y be in a ring such that xy is a unit. Does this imply that both x and y are units? I know that if one is a unit and the other is a non unit, then the product is a non unit but I was wondering if I could extend that.

Secondly, I wish to prove this: Let R be an integral domain and let a,b be in R. Then aR=bR iff a=bu for some unit u of R.
 
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Poirot said:
let x,y be in a ring such that xy is a unit. Does this imply that both x and y are units?

Hint: If $xy$ is a unit, then there exists $z\in R$ such that $(xy)z=1$, that is $x(yz)=1$ so ...

Secondly, I wish to prove this: Let R be an integral domain and let a,b be in R. Then aR=bR iff a=bu for some unit u of R.

Hint: If $aR=bR$, then there exists $u, v\in R$ such that $a=a\cdot 1=bu$ and $b=b\cdot 1=av.$ This implies $a(1-vu)=0.$ Now, use that $R$ is an integral domain.
 
Oh dear, the first one is actually pretty trivial isn't it.

Second proof: Suppose that aR=bR. Since a ∈ aR and b ∈ bR, a ∈ bR and b ∈aR. That is, a=bu and b=av for some u and v in R. Hence a=(av)u=a(vu). Now, if a is zero, then aR={0} so b= a=a.1=0 and the theorem is true. So assume a is non-zero so a=a(vu) implies vu=1. Hence u (and v) are units and we are done.

Conversly, suppose a=bu for some unit u of the ring. Then given ar ∈ aR, ar=(bu)r=b(ur) ∈ bR so aR is a subset of bR. Similarly, given br ∈ Br, $br=a(u^{-1}r) ∈aR$ so Br is a subset of aR and the proof is complete.
 
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Poirot said:
let x,y be in a ring such that xy is a unit. Does this imply that both x and y are units?

Hint: If $xy$ is a unit, then there exists $z\in R$ such that $(xy)z=1$, that is $x(yz)=1$ so ...
That argument shows that if $xy$ is a unit then $x$ has a right inverse. In a commutative ring, that is sufficient to show that $x$ is a unit. But in a noncommutative ring it is possible to have two non-units whose product is a unit.

The simplest example that I know of is in the ring of endomorphisms of an infinite sum of abelian groups. Take $G$ to be any nontrivial abelian group, with neutral element 0, and let $H = G\oplus G\oplus G\oplus \ldots.$ Let S be the "right shift" endomorphism on $H$, given by $S(g_1,g_2,g_3,\ldots) = (0,g_1,g_2,\ldots).$ Let T be the "left shift" endomorphism on $H$, given by $T(g_1,g_2,g_3,\ldots) = (g_2,g_3,g_4,\ldots).$ Then $TS$ is the identity map, but $ST$ is not invertible and neither $S$ nor $T$ is a unit.
 
Opalg said:
In a commutative ring, that is sufficient to show that $x$ is a unit.

Well, although I didn't mention it, I considered a commutative ring.
 
I consider rings to be commutative by definition.
 
Poirot said:
I consider rings to be commutative by definition.
Hmm, that is not part of the usual definition.
 
That article confirms there is no standard definition. Some people don't insist on an identity element for example.
 

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