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The discussion revolves around calculating the area of a geometric figure, involving a circle and triangles. Participants explore different methods and approaches to find the area, including the use of trapezoids and semi-circles. The conversation includes technical reasoning and attempts to clarify the relationships between various dimensions of the figure.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Susanto presents a problem involving the area of a geometric figure and lists multiple possible area values.
  • Some participants inquire about the radius of the circle, with one suggesting it is 14 cm, which is later corrected to indicate it is actually the diameter.
  • There is confusion regarding the height of the figure, with suggestions that it is 14 cm based on visual cues.
  • Participants discuss the components of the area, with one suggesting that the area consists of triangles and a semi-circle, prompting further exploration of how to calculate these areas.
  • One participant proposes a formula for the area of a trapezoid and the area of a semi-circle, leading to a derived formula for the total area.
  • Another participant points out that the areas should not simply be summed, highlighting the need to account for the number of triangles and the semi-circle's contribution as a subtraction rather than an addition.
  • There is mention of a discrepancy in results when using different methods, prompting questions about potential errors in calculations or assumptions.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the dimensions used in the calculations, specifically the diameter and bases of the trapezoid.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct approach to calculating the area, with some methods being contested and no consensus reached on a single correct method or final answer.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion over the relationships between the dimensions and the methods used to calculate the area, indicating potential missing assumptions or misunderstandings in the problem setup.

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hi all...

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please, see my picture, the area is...

a) 217 cm2
b) 434 cm2
c) 154 cm2
d) 294 cm2

thanks in advance...

susanto
 

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susanto3311 said:
hi all...

please, see my picture, the area is...

a) 217 cm2
b) 434 cm2
c) 154 cm2
d) 294 cm2

thanks in advance...

susanto

Hey susanto3311! ;)

What would be the radius of the circle?
 
I like Serena said:
Hey susanto3311! ;)

What would be the radius of the circle?

the radius is 28 - (2x7) = 14 cm..

it's true?
 
susanto3311 said:
the radius is 28 - (2x7) = 14 cm..

it's true?

Almost. That's the diameter. The radius is half of that.

What would be the height? (Wondering)
 
I like Serena said:
Almost. That's the diameter. The radius is half of that.

What would be the height? (Wondering)

hi Serena, i don't know?could you show me...
 
susanto3311 said:
hi Serena, i don't know?could you show me...

The cross stripes seem to indicate a height of 2x7=14 cm.

Now which parts does the area consist of and what are their areas?
I think you should be able to find those by now...
 
I like Serena said:
The cross stripes seem to indicate a height of 2x7=14 cm.

Now which parts does the area consist of and what are their areas?
I think you should be able to find those by now...

i still confuse...how do make more easy?
 
susanto3311 said:
i still confuse...how do make more easy?

Please, could you give some indication of where you are stuck?
Or what you are thinking?
 
I like Serena said:
Please, could you give some indication of where you are stuck?
Or what you are thinking?

hello Serena,

here my problem..
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susanto3311 said:
hello Serena,

here my problem..

Good! (Smile)

You have already found that the diameter at the bottom is 14 cm.
So the distance at the top should also be 14 cm.

As for the diagonals of the triangles, you don't need them.
But if you want, you can calculate them using the Pythagorean Theorem $a^2+b^2=c^2$. Or more to the point: $c = \sqrt{a^2+b^2}$.

On the left you have a right triangle with base 7 and height 14.
Do you know how to calculate its area? (Wondering)
 
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I like Serena said:
Good! (Smile)

You have already found that the diameter at the bottom is 14 cm.
So the distance at the top should also be 14 cm.

As for the diagonals of the triangles, you don't need them.
But if you want, you can calculate them using the Pythagorean Theorem $a^2+b^2=c^2$. Or more to the point: $c = \sqrt{a^2+b^2}$.

On the left you have a right triangle with base 7 and height 14.
Do you know how to calculate its area? (Wondering)

hi Serena,

i think like this..

it's all true answer?
 

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susanto3311 said:
hi Serena,

i think like this..

it's all true answer?

You have the right parts with the right areas. Good!

However, they should not simply be summed.
- You should have 2 triangles of 7x14 instead of 1.
- There is only half of a circle, so its area should be divided by 2.
- The half circle is something that has been removed from the object. So instead of adding it, it should be subtracted.
(Thinking)
 
  • #13
Another way to approach this would be to find the area $A_T$ of the trapezoid (all areas in $\text{cm}^2$):

$$A_T=\frac{h}{2}(B+b)$$

Now find the area $A_S$ of the semi-circle:

$$A_S=\frac{\pi}{8}d^2$$

And so the area $A$ of the given figure is:

$$A=A_T-A_S=\frac{h}{2}(B+b)-\frac{\pi}{8}d^2$$

You know all of the following:

$h$ = height of trapezoid

$B$ = "big" base of trapezoid

$b$ = "little" base of trapezoid

$d$ = diameter of semi-circle

So now just plug the numbers in, and round to the nearest integer. What do you find?
 
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maybe, i have try..
 

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susanto3311 said:
maybe, i have try..

Yep! That's it! (Happy)

One improvement: for area 1 you should have {(7x14)/2}x2 = 49x2 = 98, but that's what you used anyway.
 
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hi..

why different result with 2 method :

like this ..

where is something wrong?
 

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  • #17
susanto3311 said:
hi..

why different result with 2 method :

like this ..

where is something wrong?

The symbols are mixed up.
The diameter d should be 14 cm.
The "big" base B should be 28 cm.
And the "little" base b should be 14 cm.
 

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