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The discussion revolves around finding the volume of a solid formed by rotating the area between the curves \(y=x^2\) and \(y=2x+3\) around the x-axis. Participants explore different methods for setting up the integral to calculate this volume, including the washer method, and discuss the implications of their approaches.

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  • Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning, Homework-related, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant initially expresses difficulty in determining the correct equation to use for calculating the volume of the solid of revolution.
  • Another participant proposes using the washer method, suggesting the volume of an arbitrary washer as \(dV=\pi((2x+3)^2-(x^2)^2)\,dx\) and outlines the integration process.
  • A later reply reiterates the washer method and confirms that the correct volume can be obtained by expanding the functions before integration, raising a question about why this method worked for them.
  • There is a discussion about whether the integrand or the integral represents the area, with one participant concluding that it is the integrand by definition.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the concepts of "outer" and "inner" radii in the context of the washer method and seeks recommendations for graphing the solid of revolution.
  • Another participant clarifies that it is not necessary to expand all terms in the integrand and provides an alternative setup for the integral, including a substitution method for one of the integrals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants demonstrate varying levels of understanding regarding the setup of the integral and the concepts of outer and inner radii. While some agree on the use of the washer method, there is no consensus on the necessity of expanding the integrand or the best way to visualize the solid of revolution.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention specific limits of integration and methods for substitution, but there are unresolved questions about the clarity of the concepts involved in the washer method and the graphical representation of the solid.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students learning about solids of revolution, particularly those seeking clarification on the washer method and integration techniques in calculus.

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Hi folks, me again.

I have been asked to find the volume of an area rotated round the x-axis.
The area is that between two curves:
$$y=x^2$$
$$y=2x+3$$

I have calculated the area then got stuck as to what equation to plug into:
$$V=\int^b_a (f(x))^2\ dx$$

Would someone take a look at the geogebra screenshot which will follow in next post?
Thanks kindly,
D'Abs
 
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I would set this up as follows:

Using the washer method:

First, find the volume of an arbitrary washer:

$\displaystyle dV=\pi((2x+3)^2-(x^2)^2)\,dx$

By sketching the graph of the region to be rotated, we see that the linear function is the outer radius and the parabola is the inner radius. The thickness of the washer is dx.

Now, sum up the washers with integration:

$\displaystyle V=\pi\int_{-1}^3 -x^4+4x^2+12x+9\,dx$
 
MarkFL said:
I would set this up as follows:

Using the washer method:

First, find the volume of an arbitrary washer:

$\displaystyle dV=\pi((2x+3)^2-(x^2)^2)\,dx$

By sketching the graph of the region to be rotated, we see that the linear function is the outer radius and the parabola is the inner radius. The thickness of the washer is dx.

Now, sum up the washers with integration:

$\displaystyle V=\pi\int_{-1}^3 -x^4+4x^2+12x+9\,dx$

Thanks for this; I followed your demonstration and got the correct solution, which I've attached. It seems I could only get the solution when I set it out in the form
$$V=\pi\int^b_a\ (f(x))^2-(g(x))^2\cdot dx$$
then expanded the functions *before* integration!
Any comment(s) on why this should have made the difference for me?

Also, one very perplexing thing for me:
is it the integrand or the integral which constitutes the area ie: the term which gets squared in the formula:
$$V=\pi\int^b_a ((f(x))^2-(g(x))^2)\ dx$$
I think I've just answered my own question: by definition, it is the integrand, right?

Thanks for your great help, Mark.
Deus' Abs
PS Don't understand your point about "outer" and "inner" radii.
Can you recommend a way that I could graph this and see a 3D simulation of it?
I'm not sure if Geogebra (my main calculus learning aid) can do it.
 
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You don't have to expand all of the terms in the integrand. You could write:

$\displaystyle V=\pi\int_{-1}^3(2x+3)^2-(x^2)^2\,dx=$

$\displaystyle V=\pi\int_{-1}^3 (2x+3)^2\,dx-\pi\int_{-1}^3 x^4\,dx$

Now, for the first integral, use the substitution:

$\displaystyle u=2x+3\,\therefore\,du=2\,dx$ and we have:

$\displaystyle V=\frac{\pi}{2}\int_{1}^9 u^2\,du-\pi\int_{-1}^3 x^4\,dx$

It is the integrand, including the constant out front that represents the area of the face of the washers, and the differential that represents the thickness.

Each washer has an outer radius, the circumference of which is the outside circular edge and the inner radius which pertains to the "hole" in the washer. As you can see from the integrand, we are subtracting the area of this hole from the area of the entire disk making up the washer.

As far as a program that will graph solids of revolution, I don't know of any offhand. I'm sure others here can assist with that.
 

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